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Crinias from The Bleak Academy Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#101: Jun 30th 2014 at 10:58:31 AM

I disagree - that moment was preceded by Kotori calling out Chisato on the terrible things he did out of selfishness, and how she never wanted any of it. He caused a lot of grief and suffering out of emotion, not logic: because his sister was the only person he felt any real attachment to, he wanted to bring her back to life. Acting on logic and detaching himself from others was just the way he went at it.

Protecting Mako was something he did to follow Kotori's last words, which I'm sure must have been like a punch in the gut, a complete rejection of what he did. It was sudden, but it makes a twisted kind of sense, I'd say.

edited 30th Jun '14 11:17:25 AM by Crinias

TropayXion The i. one. from HEART Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The i. one.
#102: Jun 30th 2014 at 11:01:53 AM

Well, if nothing else, the ending did a really good job of saying "read the manga next time, dumbass".

Well, last episode aside, it was a pretty good series. I really will have to pick up the manga at some point. Especially now that I remember the name of it.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#103: Jun 30th 2014 at 11:14:31 AM

Yeah, it is a pretty good series, and the anime did what it could, but knowing what happened in the manga, it felt incredibly rushed.

Look at Chisato's death. [up][up] Did a great job at explaining it, but the anime never even came close to giving a full answer, which is a shame.

I really hate how anime lately is turning into this: "Wanna see the real ending? Read the manga!"

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Kotomikun Since: May, 2014
#104: Jun 30th 2014 at 3:36:55 PM

The thing with Neko losing all her memories right at the end sums up why I can't get into this show pretty well. So many tragic incidents are thrown around randomly that there isn't really time for them to sink in, or for the characters to properly deal with them. It's just like, bad thing happens -> make shocked expressions and cry -> well, time to go, the next horrible event awaits, but maybe we'll do an excessive fanservice scene first in an attempt to catch you off-guard!

So many deaths, with so little long-term effect on the living. One of them actually erases everyone's memories of her right before she dies; and she doesn't really die, she just imports herself into Ryouta's brain. Plus there was that scene where both Ryouta and Neko die, but then a witch turns back time, and then that same witch gets ejected, because they couldn't pass up that opportunity for a tragic death hat-trick, apparently.

Maybe the manga is better, but honestly, the whole premise feels contrived for horror and tear-jerking. Plethora of cute girls who can literally die at the touch of a button, and they bleed to death if they don't take special pills, plus they have superpowers to murder each other with, and their creator is a sociopath, and his bosses are some kind of apocalypse cult, oh and also there's a society of witch-hunters, and the girls all have tiny Cthulhus in their necks, and... and... sheesh. At least it has a harem hero who isn't a moron.

...sorry. Just needed to vent, I guess. Don't really get the popularity of this kind of show. Or why I kept watching it.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#105: Jun 30th 2014 at 3:47:25 PM

but she can't revive witches who are hung up.

What? I don't remember that being said anywhere. ò.Ô She can't regenerate herself when she is hung-up, yes.

So, I gotta ask on behalf of anime-only viewers. What happened with Skadi and post-Valkyria in the manga?

In the Skadi arc *takes a deep breath* Kana has a prediction that Kazumi will be captured, interrogated and ejected, we meet a girl named Yuki Tsuchiya who is a new employee in the lab, with a few explanations about the aliens (notably the most important one called "The Sorcerian"), she is charged to supervise a seer witch named Mizuka (the titular "Skadi") who has the power to see the future and talk to people inside it. Knowing what they have to deal with, Ryota and Kazumi talk to Kogorō and use Kana's own visions to elaborate a convoluted plan to counter Skadi and let everyone survive. We learn that #1107 is actually Kotori, not Neko, Kazumi has a whole epiphany about wanting Ryōta's child, they all survive, as expected Skadi melts after using her power one time too many, the guy who supervised Nanami is fired after this failure and shot in the head on his way out, aaand I may have forgotten some details but that's what it's about, more or less.

As for the post-Vakyria arc… it just barely begun so there are only a few notable things: Kuroha is very annoyed by Ryōta constantly asking her if she remembered him and acts colder to him than before (though she still has feelings for him apparently); Kana meets with Kikka in middle school and is training her body to use knives; we meet a woman that is apparently Kana's big sis, looking for her; and by the latest chapter, the guy that was shot in the head at the end of the skadi arc is somehow still alive (don't ask…)

[up] Okamoto Lynn in a nutshell. Despite all the drama, no death is permanent, that's what's annoying with him (her?).

edited 30th Jun '14 4:03:37 PM by Lyendith

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#106: Jul 1st 2014 at 6:05:25 AM

Okamoto is male, despite the name.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#107: Jul 1st 2014 at 12:16:29 PM

@Crinias' explanation: I can more or less buy that, but the anime didn't even come close getting any of that across. His reaction to hearing that Kotori became his sister was to just laugh and basically say "Wait, you're telling me that crazy shit I did to try to bring her back actually worked? Holy shit." We were given the sense that he did not give a damn about the content of her dying message.

edited 1st Jul '14 12:16:38 PM by Gilphon

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#108: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:12:17 PM

[up] Not sure why Chisato would believe him about his sisters dying message. I mean, of course he would say that. That whole scene just kinda sucked. I was looking forward to Valkaryia going into Yandere mode on him too. Just robbed it of all the satisfaction for no real purpose.

Also....total fail from the nun-resistance. WTF guys? Can't step to the side?

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#109: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:59:26 PM

I honestly prefer Elfen Lied's anime ending to Brynhildr's anime ending. As much as I appreciated the happy ending feel, it was waaaaay too rushed for me to experience actual happiness at it.

Which was something I entirely predicted, because Arms evidently refuses to make anime that aren't 13 episodes long.

I'm assuming an OVA will be produced like in Elfen Lied.

edited 1st Jul '14 4:39:02 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
ashnazg Since: Dec, 2009
#110: Jul 2nd 2014 at 5:53:03 AM

At least we got a manga chapter update. In this chapter we learn Hatsuna and Kazumi are really bloody difficult to tell apart in close-ups. Also, Hatsuna never ceases to up the ante.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#111: Jul 2nd 2014 at 7:44:00 AM

[up] And as if it wasn't hard enough, they also dress almost identically. Brilliant. tongue

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#112: Jul 2nd 2014 at 9:46:40 AM

Wait, are you saying Hatsuna and Kazumi are supposed to be alike? <.<

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#113: Jul 2nd 2014 at 2:08:16 PM

Imagine them without colour, I think.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#114: Jul 2nd 2014 at 2:56:18 PM

I think Serocco was being ironic, but I might be wrong? surprised

Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
Rainy Echoes
#115: Jul 3rd 2014 at 1:15:59 AM

Finale:

  • Wow, Chisato, way to laugh at your sister's dying wish. How considerate of you. Then you took the bullets for Mako, showing that you did take her wish seriously, or something.
  • Kazumi got killed. But Hatsuna to the rescue. Wait... I thought Hatsuna had a Final Death? So she can survive melting? And Kana, how did you get there so quickly? ...Super-Speed?tongue
  • For a limited time only, Kuroha was whole at last. Then black hole hijinks wiped her clean.
  • So much for my K Survival idea...I truly underestimated Hatsuna's healing ability. Rest well, Kotori...

So, if I were to read the manga, where did the anime end? And Hexenjadg...wasn't really impressive.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#116: Jul 3rd 2014 at 2:43:08 AM

[up] The anime stops at chapter 100, I think. But you should just read it from the start anyway; the anime cuts out a lot, in particular the Skadi arc.

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#117: Jul 3rd 2014 at 3:04:02 AM

[up] [up]For Kana I assume she had a forecast, so her her and Hatsuna actually started out not to long after the first group left

edited 3rd Jul '14 3:04:21 AM by kiukiuclk

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#118: Jul 3rd 2014 at 3:42:13 AM

[up][up][up] The anime starts to derail from the manga after the Nanami arc so… you should pick up from chapter 38 or 39. surprised

edit: Chapter 107 out in Spanish! Err… Hatsuna wins again, I guess? tongue

edited 5th Jul '14 10:30:55 AM by Lyendith

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#119: Jul 7th 2014 at 9:43:30 PM

By the way, let's all talk about the manga whenever a new chapter is released. tongue

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#120: Jul 14th 2014 at 3:50:26 PM

[up] When it's released in English, apparently. evil grin

… chapter 108! I can only vaguely read Spanish, but that's enough to know roughly what's going on I guess. tongue

So… Three new witches: Rie, Rurumi and Misaki. I'm not sure introducing 3 at once was a wise move, but well, they seem more mentally stable than the witch assassins before them… for now… I'm pretty sure they are gonna join the Astronomy club soon. Or die horribly.

Not sure but from what I understood if they fail, they'll be made sex slaves for stupid men or something… Is it me or Okamoto makes a slight fixation on sex in his works? Not the "fanservice" kind but the actually sexual kind…

Other than that Kana has grown up upward and even more forward since the start of the series, much to Kikka's annoyance. She also learns how to swim in basically seconds, and starts to teach it to Kikka. Then she eats a crepe for the first time, much to her delight, before being spotted by the 3 witches, who are apparently shocked to see her walking.

Transition, transition… but I kind of like how Kana and Kikka get closer. Oh, and we still don't know what Kana's sister's name is, unless I missed something…

edited 14th Jul '14 3:51:42 PM by Lyendith

Crinias from The Bleak Academy Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#121: Jul 14th 2014 at 8:46:49 PM

Not sure but from what I understood if they fail, they'll be made sex slaves for stupid men or something…
Kinda, yeah. The 'stupid men' part is just implying that she holds (all? most?) men in contempt. As for Okamoto's fixation... I'm gonna have to agree, he takes a strange approach to it. He could probably go without doing any of that, but still chooses to do so.

From Elfen Lied I got the sense that everything was planned from the start, and that he's good at plotting in the long run, but that many short-term developments were rather gratuitous, particularly concerning sex and violence.

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#122: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:25:38 AM

OTOH it is sort of refreshing to see high school students that, you know, act like actual high school students.

I get death flags From the 3 new witches. Actually, I worry that this whole arc is setting up Kikka to be killed and cause Kana to bring back her magic. Which would be kind of a shame as she's an interesting character when she can do stuff.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#123: Jul 17th 2014 at 4:25:27 PM

never mind.

edited 19th Jul '14 5:06:23 AM by Lyendith

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#124: Jul 19th 2014 at 5:15:01 AM

Chapter 109! Where Kikka's life expectancy suddenly dropped. tongue

So it seems Rurumi is a tad bit jealous of Kana being able to enjoy her life freely in the outside world. And her power is… voodoo? Huh… I feel that's a very weird power to have in this setting… like, I understand why the witches would be given powers, but how could a doll be given powers as well?

And Kana tells everything to Kikka, who doesn't believe her at first (since Kana can no longer use magic) but is given a real-life demonstration with herself as the test subject thanks to Rurumi.

This cannot end well… at least those three are clearly not bad girls.

edited 19th Jul '14 5:23:32 AM by Lyendith

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#125: Jul 27th 2014 at 3:33:33 PM

Chapter 110… well that was unexpected. surprised

So this is what happens when a "normal" drasil hatches… against that, two witches with non-offensive powers, a witch with no power and a bunch of humans… oh, and with a little bit of luck, Kana will bump into her sister. If she even remembers her.

edited 27th Jul '14 3:34:37 PM by Lyendith


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