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Take a look at this please
. There's no reason why we couldn't have similar functionality.
@Spark9 Problem is, renames normally happen because of widespread misuse. You need human judgement to tell if the wick is correct or not. Moving bad examples to the new name isn't fixing the trope. You also need human judgment to adjust the sentence structure to match the structure of the the new name.
For example, the MIB thread that you started and has been lingering with little to no work on wick changes until recently requires sometimes careful adjustments on some sentences to accomandate the grammatical difference between Man In Black and The Men in Black.
I understand the concern about having problems linger without being brought into TRS, but you also have problems lingering after they got brought into TRS while the person that brought them into TRS ingores the cleanup effort and keeps makes a ton of new threads that distract people from clean up. Either way, it is problems lingering, and the longer things like MIB, He Got Better, I Got Better etc. are on the wiki even though we've decided they are no longer acceptable, the more people are going to add more and more wicks because they think it is okay.
edited 5th Apr '12 12:14:24 PM by Catbert
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I don't see where that kind of program would help with wick-fixing. It doesn't automate either the alphabetization or the rewriting necessary to do renames/splits, and certainly doesn't automate the misuse-fixing part. Opening, searching and saving the pages takes up only a fraction of the necessary time.
edited 5th Apr '12 12:12:56 PM by lebrel
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.And the idea of editors having such tools is apparently considered too risky because of possible abuse. Unfortunately, our articles are a lot more YMMV than wikipedia's by nature.
edited 5th Apr '12 12:14:17 PM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer![]()
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I think that tagging wicks pointing to a to-be-renamed trope (=wicks to page having a TRS discussion) could help the last point.
Also, are we all sure that it is the OP's job to run the thread? They are more of problem-reporters in their purpose.
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For the record, the navigation part is the most time-consuming and boring part of a wick action. So, maybe retool the Related To page to make it more wick operation-friendly?
Who would have to code such things anyway? Do they need database access?
edited 5th Apr '12 12:15:42 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThe OP should not run the thread, neither should they carry all the burden. But, in my mind, leaving a trope unfixed when it falls off the radar and just starting on another is not very productive.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerSomething I've learned from my own mistakes here and elsewhere is that people that report problems should be willing to take ownership of the problem. No, they should not be expected to do everything themselves, and they are not moderators. But you shouldn't be advocating a rename if you aren't willing to contribute to making that happen, and you shouldn't be bombarding TRS with two or three "Guess that trope" or whatever a week when the last five threads you started still need resolution. If you really think something is a problem, you should be pushing to get things resolved and be the one most likely to take initiative on things like puting together a crowner, bumping for votes, trying to get people to volunteer to clean up wicks. If the person that started the thread doesn't think it is worth putting effort into, why should others?
Otherwise you end up with threads like this one
which sit around since September, with no one putting together a crowner until February, and then once the crowner has been called, and took another month to get any sort of attention to fact that wicks need changing.
Not quite sure that would help very much; for most renames/splits, you have to move the entry to re-alphabetize, so you need access to the whole document.
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That would be a good idea, but I have some concerns about the size of such a Related To page.
To access the thing to be moved so that you don't need to Ctrl+F it.
edited 5th Apr '12 1:23:34 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
