General Page Quote Discussion:

Side note: If you use a period instead of a slash, it makes the namespace visible in the link: Monster.Resident Evil

I'd say go with Baker or Wesker, Saddler's is kind of lacking in comparison.

The quote for Bookshelf Dominoes doesn't demonstrate the trope w/o knowing the context

The page pic which provides some context (and even then the quote is still not particularly compatible), but that then violates the informal rule against having the pic and quote come from the same source.

Vote to pull?

Quotes need to be able to stand alone, so if it doesn't demonstrate without context, it can be pulled for that alone.

The quote on Music.Super Ghostbusters appears to have been unilaterally changed by Tropedarmatitanic from this:

To this:

TBH I like the first one better, unless we want something even more descriptive. Revert, change, or keep?

Revert.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Jun 5th 2023 at 9:21:33 AM

It's All About Me got changed. I'm assuming it was unilateral? Thoughts?

Original:

New:

Uh that new one Is way too long for my taste. Change it back.

Revert.

Didn't get much feedback, but I did get one revert so I'm going to revert the Super Ghostbusters quote.

EDIT: And done, though something happened with the formatting.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 5th 2023 at 10:09:45 AM

Any feedback for this query? This trope might need TRS, but in the mean time, I think we shouldn't be using a misleading quote.

Agree on both points—that the quote should be changed but that we might need a TRS. B/c honestly, until you pointed it out, I thought the trope meant the latter. And based on the name, I think that's what it should be. The current trope meaning sounds more like an Informed Attribute, while Hollywood Style tropes are usually about how Hollywood has ridiculous standards for what is considered normal (i.e., Hollywood Homely).

But that's precisely it. The Hollywood part of Hollywood Dateless is there for a reason. Otherwise it would just be Dateless which I think it be Chairs.

The alternative would be something like Informed Dateless, not just Dateless. Hollywood Dateless sounds like Hollywood Homely, Hollywood Thin, Hollywood Old, etc, in all of which "Hollywood" means "the character is supposed to be [adjective] even though the actor is hot". Informed Attribute is "the character is supposed to be [adjective] even though the narrative shows them not acting [adjective] regularly".

Yes exactly! I think given what we typically mean as "Hollywood" — that Hollywood is creating standards that don't apply in real life — does not apply here, which is causing the confusion. What the trope Hollywood Dateless actually means is that within the work the character has dated several people but is treated as dateless, making it more of an Informed Attribute. Tropers are wrongly assuming it means that "a person who in real life would likely find it easy to find a date are finding it hard to date w/n the work's universe," b/c that is typically what Hollywood Style trope signifies. Like I would think of Hollywood Dateless as Chris Evans in Ghosted (2023). So it's not a Chairs problem, though it may be a YMMV like Hollywood Homely.

I don't think it's YMMV because it's about something objective in the text (how often they're shown getting dates) versus a subjective matter of appearance (being attractive, skinny, or fat). Which kind of gives more of an argument for not using "Hollywood" though Hollywood Old also fits the former since age is objective.

This is all something to be checked via TRS though.

Right. I'll start a wick check some time later today.

The quote on Self-Made Man does very little beyond stating the trope name. From the quotes/ subpage, I like these two the best:

I vote for the first one, especially since I don't like the implications of calling Oskar Schindler "self-made".

I added the quote the quote for Hailee Steinfeld after finding it in here.

I still like it but I think I the site I found it on mixed up the first sentence and the question (the question was "Have there been any particularly tough shoots?") and I am sorry about that. It actually goes like this according to the actual interview:

Or if we don't want the first sentence:

I apologize for this mistake. Thoughts?

Edited by Bullman on Jun 6th 2023 at 9:40:45 AM

I'd say the second one there Bull

And I agree about with about Self-Made Man

Good with either one.

I think Spelling for Emphasis's quote is good, but I found one I think is better.

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Am I good to change the Monster.Resident Evil quote to the Lucas one?

Proposing this quote for Emergency Refuelling. It's better as a longer quote (though it might be too long) but I think the episode title does a good job of conveying the context behind it.

There's also a proposal I have for Tongue Twister:

I like the quote for Tongue Twister. The one for Emergency Refuelling feels ... a little boring and on the nose, but the page doesn't currently have a quote, so this one certainly works.