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This thread is for general discussion of page quotes, whether to change, move or remove them.

Unused quotes should be put on a Quotes Wiki page (just replace the namespace in the URL of the wiki page you are making a quotes page for with Quotes/).

Image captions are discussed elsewhere and have their own thread in the Image Pickin' forum.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 10th 2024 at 5:50:24 AM

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#9776: Sep 29th 2022 at 11:15:38 AM

I previously brought it up in that thread, but didn’t get a response.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#9777: Sep 29th 2022 at 11:16:23 AM

Someone tried to make a page like that, but it went nowhere since there were very few quotes to go on the page.

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fishysaur Good for nothing Since: May, 2018
Good for nothing
#9778: Sep 29th 2022 at 12:22:41 PM

The quote for Real Women Don't Wear Dresses is pretty much about the opposite. Is there a better one?

There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up
Khoshekh6 Since: May, 2022
#9779: Sep 29th 2022 at 12:28:51 PM

[up]Looks like theres quite a few options on the quotes page

Anura from England Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#9780: Sep 30th 2022 at 9:02:54 AM

Don't Hug Me I'm Scared's quote was changed from:

"Come on, guys, let's get creative!"

to

Duck Guy: Every day's a new surprise!
Yellow Guy: When you're learning with us guys!
Red Guy: And we live in an ACTUAL NIGHTMARE!

I'm not a fan of unilateral changes, but the new quote does actually frame the show a lot better.

Edited by Anura on Sep 30th 2022 at 5:03:25 PM

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit in.
Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#9781: Sep 30th 2022 at 9:17:52 AM

On the subject, This Image Is Not an Example is a list of images used despite not being examples because they still effectively illustrate the concept. Should we also have a "This Quote Is Not an Example" page? Or are quotes different than images such they need to be valid examples? If not there are some that need to be cut.

I actually thought about that a while back, but wasn't sure how useful it would be since quotes are more likely to get changed down the line than images.

Although if someone were to make that page, the current quote on Dumber Than They Look is not actually an example since the character in question isn't Book Dumb.

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#9782: Sep 30th 2022 at 10:34:37 AM

[up][up]I'd fix the Administrivia.Sinkhole, though I feel it otherwise fits more.

Khoshekh6 Since: May, 2022
#9783: Sep 30th 2022 at 4:15:50 PM

[up][up][up] whats that quote from? I don't remember that being said in the show

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#9784: Sep 30th 2022 at 4:16:46 PM

I don't remember it either, I assume it's related to the revival.

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MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#9785: Sep 30th 2022 at 8:58:56 PM

[up] That's correct.

However, the same quote is also on the Nightmare Fuel page for the series. So one of those probably has to be removed or changed.

osgwic Since: Dec, 2021
#9786: Oct 1st 2022 at 9:45:51 AM

Just noticed that the page quotes on Fictional Counterpart and Bland-Name Product are identical (save for some slight formatting variations), with the former having been added more recently. The Fictional Counterpart quote is also full of potholes. This isn't allowed, right?

Anura from England Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#9787: Oct 1st 2022 at 11:03:27 AM

That quote keeps getting changed by different people. Someone just added the rest of the song, but the format clashes (since it's a part where they're singing together), and it's far more succinct to only have the three lines. Ideas? Comment in a link to this discussion and say to bring future changes here? Request a lock?

[up]Nope, potholes in page quotes are only allowed if it's directly referencing another work, like if someone mentions Star Wars in the quote, you can pothole that to Star Wars (and on the off chance that they're directly referring to the Tv Tropes page on a trope, you can pothole that too I htink).

Edited by Anura on Oct 1st 2022 at 7:05:19 PM

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit in.
ShaiPa Since: Aug, 2013
#9788: Oct 1st 2022 at 4:47:15 PM

The page quote for Cobra Kai is:

Daniel LaRusso: I heard you beat up a bunch of teenagers in that parking lot out there.
Johnny Lawrence: Oh, that. No. I didn't beat up any teenagers. I kicked the shit out of a bunch of assholes who deserved it.

This is an artifact from the show's Season 1 storyline, but doesn't represent where the show went or its general themes. I recommend changing it to this quote from Season 2, which captures more of what the show was about.

"Cobra Kai is not a hobby. It's not a club. Coba Kai is your brothers and your sisters. You are all Cobra Kai for life, because Cobra Kai never dies."
John Kreese

Khoshekh6 Since: May, 2022
#9789: Oct 1st 2022 at 5:33:22 PM

[up][up][up][up] the "looks like you're having a baaaddd dreaaamm!" Line from dhmis 6 count work for the nightmare fuel page.

Looks like someone added more lines to the main page quote, it seems rather superfluous to me.

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#9790: Oct 1st 2022 at 7:11:59 PM

[up][up]I personally prefer your suggestion over the current quote.

osgwic Since: Dec, 2021
#9791: Oct 2nd 2022 at 8:32:22 AM

[up][up][up][up] Thanks! Just removed the potholes.

For future reference, is there an official policy on duplicate page quotes? I can't seem to find anything on administrivia.

NAFEDUDE (Ten years in the joint)
#9792: Oct 2nd 2022 at 12:25:06 PM

so, not familiar with the show, but W.I.T.C.H. has an absurdly long page quote. Should we just cut it?

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#9793: Oct 2nd 2022 at 1:08:35 PM

[up]I feel it should be cut. That and, I think it's preferred to use quotes that aren't from YouTube comments and stuff like that.

Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#9796: Oct 2nd 2022 at 8:33:26 PM

About the Real Women Don't Wear Dresses quote not being an example. I looked over Quotes.Real Women Dont Wear Dresses and all of them look like the same issue of being criticisms or rejections of the trope as opposed to proper examples, save this which seems contentious:

"The few "good" women I know, are those that act like men. Friends, sister, they're all really kind and nice women... but they all act like guys. Women that act like women, are usually bitches...".

Are there any other non-complaint/straight quotes about it? (if not there might be a issue with the trope.) Long spans of text can be collapsed like so:

    Quotes / Real Women Don't Wear Dresses 
Alphonse: [to Greed's gang] There's only one thing I'm afraid of.
Martel: What?
Alphonse: Here it comes.
[Izumi breaks in, dragging an unconscious gang member.]
Izumi: Hi, please excuse me.
Gang member: Hey... who're you?
[Izumi throws unconscious gang member at Al]
Izumi: Why the hell did you get kidnapped?!
Alphonse: Sorrrrrrrrry!
Gang member: Hey you! Don't pretend we're not here!
Thug from Hell's Nest: Who the hell are you?
Izumi: I'M A HOUSEWIFE!!

Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman.
Professor William Marston, creator of Wonder Woman, 1943

Janna: I love pink! It's my favorite. [...] I just hate contributing to gender stereotypes.
Game: Janna likes pink AND fights the patriarchy.
Star vs. the Forces of Evil, "Sleepover"

"If you open a book and read about a big family with 7 children and a housewife, a husband who is the one who earns the money and yet this family barely comes around on top of it in a society which is very old-fashioning then you are assuming that woman, that female isn't a perfect example of feminism or even close to be an example of the perfect equal wife to her husband. What thought is involved there? To show a family but certainly not to show the most feministic character."

Whether something is considered "feminist" or not really depends on how it's read. Take Terminator2 for example, on the one hand you have a strong willed badass female protagonist who uses guns and does pull-ups and has dimensions and all sorts of fun stuff. On the other hand, her primary motivation is her son, and he is the second coming, not her. Some people don't like that. Mulan also has this girl who's smart, dimensional, learning stuff, being a warrior and out duding the dudes. But on the other hand, again, her whole motivation is her father. Some people don't like that. Also she chooses marriage over being on the emperor's council... whatever, it's implied.

Part of feminism is that you don't have preconceived notions about a person simply because of how they dress, how society might look at a girl or a woman in a mini-skirt and think to themselves, "they must be a slut," when in reality they could just really like mini-skirts.
Linkara from this discussion of Wonder Woman's new costume.

"Come on now, darling. Don't cry. Only boy superheroes are allowed to cry."
Wonderella the elder to Wonderita, The Non-Adventures of Wonderella

"The way Scully dresses here is pure early 90s businesswoman. At this point it was felt that if women were going to make it in a man's world (oh how I hate the angle shows take rather than just allowing them to flourish as women in the work place) then they had to dress with a severe masculine image... Scully’s knickers and bra are the least sexy I have ever seen on a woman (not that my experience stretches that far you understand) and that includes Bridget Jones."
Doc Oho on The X-Files, "Pilot"

"Yeah, Peach definitely looks like she'll be more comfortable throwing a tea party than a touchdown pass, but to suggest that this makes her inherently weak strikes me as a backward sliding argument at best. After all, if you're gonna broadly declare that a character's girlishness is somehow a weak trait in and of itself, regardless of context or the tone and personality of the character, don't you run the risk of sending young women the equally negative message that the only way for a woman to be strong is for her to be a man?"

Bowser: Y'know, Peach, it's girls like you who set women's rights movements back about 400 years. You wear a dress and heels, you bitch slap opponents, you have a vegetable garden, and one of your most powerful moves involves your ass!
[Peach rages and clobbers Bowser with a frying pan]
Bowser: Where did you get a frying pan?!
Peach: Um... in my kitchen?
Brawl Taunts

Too often, feminism is associated with a certain type of lady. In the movies, she’s usually the tomboy who likes to snarl at the girly-girls and thinks she’s better than everyone else because she doesn’t subscribe to society’s standards. These girls suffer from what I like to call Special Snowflake Syndrome. “I’m not the kind of girl who wears makeup and heels.” Can I get a slow clap? This does not make you better than the “kind of girl” who does.
— A blogger defending Legally Blonde as a feminist movie

Valka was never intended to be a serious physical match for Drago, nor should she have been, because the whole point of her character aligned with her son's is to personify the Viking nation's progressive anti-violence stance. Sorry that Valka was too busy working as a zoologist to become the vaunted warrior-hero-soldier that apparently makes a female character strong enough for you, Dissolve. Instead, she spends years subversively rescuing dragons from capture like a radical Greenpeace activist, and she is the one who leads the enormous dragon army into battle against Drago.
Even more significantly, while it's true that she doesn't get to do much in the third act, she doesn't have to. She doesn't have to because unlike 90 percent of other Hollywood films, HTTYD is a universe with more than one woman in it. And as a result, it gets to have a variety of women who do a variety of different things. Valka doesn't have to be an all-powerful warrior-soldier, because Astrid and Ruffnut are out there dumping flaming sulfur on the enemy and generally proving that women can be badasses on the battlefield. Valka proves that women can be badasses as activists and scientists and even, yes, as moms, too.
Aja Romano rebutting the accusation that How to Train Your Dragon 2 is sexist

Britani Knight: Mission Statement of the Anti-Diva Army: We stand firm against the trivialization and degradation of women’s wrestling. However, we further recognize that the sport has often trivialized itself, by elevating the untalented and the incompetent based solely on looks and charisma. As such, we seek to not only advocate for women’s wrestling to the outside world, but to purify it from within.
Serena Deeb: My name…is Serena Deeb. I stand here today alongside Britani and Sofia because I believe in their mission. We have eliminated a talentless model by putting Nikki Bella on the injured list. We have taken out a woman content to rest on her laurels and charisma in destroying Melina last week. And tonight…we will be making a fresh new statement.

...The fashion changes that happened in the early 90s in the U.S., where women’s business clothes became a lot more feminine in cut and colors, have definitely not happened in Japan – it’s a choice between serious and severe, or cute and sexy, and not much in-between. In my mind, the women’s business fashion evolution in the U.S. was a sign of women’s progress in the workplace, where women had gained enough ground that they didn’t feel they had to try to look like men anymore in order to be taken seriously.

Avoid overly “empowered” female characters. Empowerment doesn’t mean she’s terrible to men just for being men — it just means she’s not stepped on for being a woman.
— "How Not To Write Female Characters", a list on ImpishIdea

It's the idea that a "good" or "realistic" female character has to be, in short, a man with breasts. She walks around armed to the teeth, hates men and the Patriarchy with a burning passion that easily turns violent, and generally suffers from a worse case of Testosterone Poisoning than the male members of the group. And god forbid she should be emotional, or get into romantic relationships (unless they're with other women!) or have any of the other concerns that real women deal with on a daily basis. (...) It's a pervasive disease in RPGs, and women are as likely to succumb to it as men dabbling in transgender roleplaying - if not more so!
Beth Kinderman, "The Xena: Warrior Princess Syndrome"

It is perhaps too strong to call [Annie Oakley] a feminist, as she disliked bifurcated garments for women and worried about universal suffrage.
David Huxley, "Lone Heroes and the Myth of the American West"

D. B. Platypus: Why is it that the female has to cook? As role models, you must be careful not to fall into gender stereotypes!
Amy: While I agree with you in principle, the simple fact is I'm the only one who knows how to cook. And I enjoy it!
D. B. [blows whistle] WHAT YOU LIKE IS UNIMPORTANT! You're a role model now.
Sonic Boom, "Role Models"

Is it the ‘strong independent woman’ thing to do? No, but that is not who Sakura is. Yes, like Rin she is a character of great inner strength and will, probably more so as she has endured so much trauma and horror, but as you will read in a later character dive, not everyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Not everyone can ‘handle it’. People need to be saved, and that doesn’t stop them from being good and capable people.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#9797: Oct 2nd 2022 at 9:17:44 PM

Are there any other non-complaint/straight quotes about it? (if not there might be a issue with the trope.)

It's listed under Dead Unicorn Trope, so...

Edited by nrjxll on Oct 2nd 2022 at 11:17:59 AM

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#9798: Oct 3rd 2022 at 10:20:53 AM

The page quote from Unintentionally Unsympathetic:

"There's a difference between having a sympathetic backstory and actually being sympathetic."

This is not an example as it was referring to the Misaimed Fandom of a character who was called out and realized in-work that their sympathetic backstory didn't justify their actions. So it seems about different concepts. How is this as a replacement?

"This has to be the most selfish, male-dependent, uncaring, manipulative, self-centered, pretentious, idiotic, whining little bitch-bag you will ever see in your entire life! And honestly... that wouldn't be too bad a character, that'd be very, very interesting—IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL! But it's not."
The Nostalgia Critic on Bella Swan, "Top 11 Dumbasses in Distress"

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Oct 3rd 2022 at 10:22:00 AM

ElBuenCuate Since: Oct, 2010
#9799: Oct 3rd 2022 at 11:27:00 AM

[up]I don't see any reason to replace it just becsuse the context of the actual work is different, since the quote still gets the idea of what the trope is.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#9800: Oct 3rd 2022 at 1:17:21 PM

The replacement is also much more over-the-top hostile.


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