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This thread is for general discussion of page quotes, whether to change, move or remove them.

Unused quotes should be put on a Quotes Wiki page (just replace the namespace in the URL of the wiki page you are making a quotes page for with Quotes/).

Image captions are discussed elsewhere and have their own thread in the Image Pickin' forum.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 10th 2024 at 5:50:24 AM

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#9751: Sep 25th 2022 at 9:56:29 AM

I want to cut the page quote on Heroic Build

"Men should be buff, women should be vavoom!"

The trope is specifically supposed to be about superheroes with perfect muscular physiques.

Andariel Never Found from Disappeared never to be seen again (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Never Found
#9752: Sep 25th 2022 at 10:22:22 AM

[up][up] For Black Cloak, I prefer the first one, since it's shorter and more to the point.

Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#9753: Sep 25th 2022 at 10:39:10 AM

[up] Same here

[up][up] I'm good with cutting it.

[up][up][up][up] I like the 4th one, but yeah, I think altering the description is beyond the scope of this thread; it should be brought up on the TDID

Edited by Orbiting on Sep 25th 2022 at 1:39:27 PM

ShaiPa Since: Aug, 2013
#9754: Sep 25th 2022 at 11:35:16 AM

[up]x5 I actually prefer the Miles Davis quote, but if most of the votes have been between the final two, I vote for #5.

And yes, for any greater cleanup, especially such a key entry, take it to the TDID thread.

Andariel Never Found from Disappeared never to be seen again (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Never Found
#9755: Sep 25th 2022 at 11:39:20 AM

[up] There had been only like three votes in total. Not that hard to overturn

Dramatic Since: Jun, 2012
#9756: Sep 25th 2022 at 12:55:35 PM

I want to bring up the page quote for Audience-Alienating Ending:

"GoT was on TV for a decade and had a stranglehold on popular culture and it ended so poorly that literally the moment it ended its cultural influence dissolved. It's amazing. It was like, overnight and it's baffling to think that something that was so everpresent for eight years simply ceased to exist because we all collectively decided it wasn't worth it. Eight years of memes, references, a presence you could not get away even if you tried and didn't care and all of this, ALL OF IT, undone to such a point that I can't even remember the last time I saw GoT referenced or talked about."
Twitter user MusketAnna on Game of Thrones

With House of the Dragon seemingly doing well, I'm not sure this quote has aged well. On the Quotes page, I like the Bug Fables quote as a replacement; it's pretty funny and doesn't involve a real example that risks becoming outdated.

Reeves: This book was perfect. Such a beautiful story... Incredible prose! Tight pacing! Amazing characters!
Leif: ...And it's a bad book?
Reeves: IT WAS ALL A DREAM! AND THEN A ROCK CRUSHES THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!
Reeves commenting on the "Axis Invert" bad book, Bug Fables

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#9757: Sep 25th 2022 at 2:01:34 PM

Jazz isn't in (top of the) page quote territory. It's describing how jazz is difficult to define by using different descriptions by famous jazz musicians.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#9758: Sep 25th 2022 at 3:19:37 PM

[up][up]There's a strong argument that House of the Dragon is doing well specifically because of GOT ex-fans alienated by the ending who want to love the setting again and are looking for a do-over of sorts. (It's certainly what the suits are banking on, I suspect.)

That said a page quote does not actually have to be from an example as long as it demonstrates the trope well. See, for one I remember discussing in the past, That One Boss, where Air Man is not a particularly difficult boss and part of the joke of the song is that the singer is (obliviously) not a particularly good player.

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#9759: Sep 25th 2022 at 3:43:42 PM

The current Audience-Alienating Ending quote doesn't illustrate anyway. Audience-Alienating Ending isn't "ending the audience hated", it's an ending that puts off new audiences from even getting into the work to begin with.

Edited by Twiddler on Sep 25th 2022 at 3:44:23 AM

Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
we must dissent (it/they)
#9760: Sep 25th 2022 at 3:58:58 PM

[up] The description mentions "Fan Disillusionment to the point the fandom shrinks or vanishes from mainstream is a common indication of this", which is exactly what the page quote is describing.

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#9761: Sep 25th 2022 at 4:18:16 PM

Indication, but not the definition.

Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#9763: Sep 26th 2022 at 10:53:18 AM

Animals Respect Nature and Predation Is Natural have the exact same quote.

Also, I personally think the “new audiences are scared off” requirement is too restrictive and an ending to an otherwise beloved work that the audience hates is tropeworthy enough on its own since there is a disconnect between the ending and the rest of the work, and that disconnect can “ruin” the work for some.

Edited by MasterN on Sep 26th 2022 at 10:55:12 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#9764: Sep 26th 2022 at 11:30:35 AM

Nevertheless, that's the definition. Changing it would be a TRS matter.

A sub-trope of Overshadowed by Controversy and Sister Trope to Audience-Alienating Premise. Audience-Alienating Ending is when the ending is met with such backlash or divisiveness that those who haven't yet experienced the work or even non-fans hear about it. Maybe because it's the only or most vocal thing that's talked about it afterward, or maybe the backlash was so extreme it got media attention. The result is audiences avoiding the work regardless of its other merits because they don't want to get invested in a work with such a disappointing or contentious payoff.

From the TRS thread on it from last year (which ended up renaming it from Ending Aversion):

Ending Aversion is about potential viewers refusing to consume a work because they've heard about how the terrible the ending is. It gets misused for fans hating the ending.

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#9765: Sep 27th 2022 at 8:12:20 AM

Gung Holier Than Thou has an unclear quote that's just restating the trope name. If there's no alternative, may I just cut it?

Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#9766: Sep 27th 2022 at 8:33:53 AM

Yeah, that quote adds nothing

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#9767: Sep 27th 2022 at 10:47:25 AM

[up][up]I think it's fine if you cut it.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#9768: Sep 28th 2022 at 6:34:40 PM

Common Knowledge currently has this as its page quote:

James "Rhodey" Rhodes: This is known!
Bruce Banner: I don't know why everyone believes that, but that isn't true.

The trope refers to "Something that is believed by the public to be part of a work or genre, but isn't." However, the quote example is the characters believing that the rules of time travel as depicted in fiction also apply to the time travel that they are attempting to do. This seems more like Wrong Genre Savvy.

Khoshekh6 Since: May, 2022
#9769: Sep 28th 2022 at 10:28:20 PM

Id say it doesn't fit with context, but it does perfectly encapsulate the trope without context

Page quotes aren't meant to have context in the first place, so im not sure that's a problem

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#9770: Sep 28th 2022 at 10:29:49 PM

[up][up]I think it's fine since it works out of context. Do you have any suggestions for replacements though?

IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#9771: Sep 29th 2022 at 12:03:00 AM

According to Goodreads, The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights by John Steinbeck provides the page quote for MagnificentBastard.Other Media but it's uncredited.

"Like many cruel and evil women, Morgan le Fay knew men's weaknesses and discounted their strengths. And she knew also that most improbable actions may be successful so long as they are undertaken boldly and without hesitation, for men believe beyond proof to the contrary that blood is thicker than water and that a beautiful woman cannot be evil."
— On Morgan(a) La Fey, Arthurian Legend

matruz (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#9772: Sep 29th 2022 at 7:03:37 AM

[up][up]Full disclosure: I was the one who originally added the quote.

Agreed with Khoshekh 6 and Random Troper 123, I would also argue that the quote works well as an In-Universe example of the trope (ie: something that is widely considered as fact when it is actually untrue).

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#9773: Sep 29th 2022 at 7:05:40 AM

Yeah, I think an In-Universe quote is best for Common Knowledge

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#9774: Sep 29th 2022 at 7:58:20 AM

Technically speaking though, the trope seems to refer to misconceptions about works of media that have become so prevalent that non fans assume they’re true, when the misconceptions can be refuted simply by watching the work. In the In-Universe context of the scene, all the rules about time travel that Rhodey attributes to the movies that he lists are actually accurate to those films. Bruce was saying that those rules don’t apply to what is real life for the characters In-Universe. So it’s not a case of Rhodes having Common Knowledge about In-Universe works.

Edited by costanton11 on Sep 29th 2022 at 9:59:26 AM

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#9775: Sep 29th 2022 at 10:41:40 AM

[up] Common Knowledge cleanup might be able to help determine if it illustrates the concept enough to fit despite not being an example.

On the subject, This Image Is Not an Example is a list of images used despite not being examples because they still effectively illustrate the concept. Should we also have a "This Quote Is Not an Example" page? Or are quotes different than images such they need to be valid examples? If not there are some that need to be cut.


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