This thread is for general discussion of page quotes, whether to change, move or remove them.
Unused quotes should be put on a Quotes Wiki page (just replace the namespace in the URL of the wiki page you are making a quotes page for with Quotes/).
Image captions are discussed elsewhere and have their own thread
in the Image Pickin' forum.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 10th 2024 at 5:50:24 AM
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For Black Cloak, I prefer the first one, since it's shorter and more to the point.
I want to bring up the page quote for Audience-Alienating Ending:
With House of the Dragon seemingly doing well, I'm not sure this quote has aged well. On the Quotes page, I like the Bug Fables quote as a replacement; it's pretty funny and doesn't involve a real example that risks becoming outdated.
Leif: ...And it's a bad book?
Reeves: IT WAS ALL A DREAM! AND THEN A ROCK CRUSHES THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!
Jazz isn't in (top of the) page quote territory. It's describing how jazz is difficult to define by using different descriptions by famous jazz musicians.
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There's a strong argument that House of the Dragon is doing well specifically because of GOT ex-fans alienated by the ending who want to love the setting again and are looking for a do-over of sorts. (It's certainly what the suits are banking on, I suspect.)
That said a page quote does not actually have to be from an example as long as it demonstrates the trope well. See, for one I remember discussing in the past, That One Boss, where Air Man is not a particularly difficult boss and part of the joke of the song is that the singer is (obliviously) not a particularly good player.
The current Audience-Alienating Ending quote doesn't illustrate anyway. Audience-Alienating Ending isn't "ending the audience hated", it's an ending that puts off new audiences from even getting into the work to begin with.
Edited by Twiddler on Sep 25th 2022 at 3:44:23 AM
The description mentions "Fan Disillusionment to the point the fandom shrinks or vanishes from mainstream is a common indication of this", which is exactly what the page quote is describing.
But that doesn't make it non-illustrative.
ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NO
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Animals Respect Nature and Predation Is Natural have the exact same quote.
Also, I personally think the “new audiences are scared off” requirement is too restrictive and an ending to an otherwise beloved work that the audience hates is tropeworthy enough on its own since there is a disconnect between the ending and the rest of the work, and that disconnect can “ruin” the work for some.
Edited by MasterN on Sep 26th 2022 at 10:55:12 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.Nevertheless, that's the definition. Changing it would be a TRS matter.
From the TRS thread on it
from last year (which ended up renaming it from Ending Aversion):
Gung Holier Than Thou has an unclear quote that's just restating the trope name. If there's no alternative, may I just cut it?
Common Knowledge currently has this as its page quote:
The trope refers to "Something that is believed by the public to be part of a work or genre, but isn't." However, the quote example is the characters believing that the rules of time travel as depicted in fiction also apply to the time travel that they are attempting to do. This seems more like Wrong Genre Savvy.
According to Goodreads
, The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights by John Steinbeck provides the page quote for MagnificentBastard.Other Media but it's uncredited.
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Full disclosure: I was the one who originally added the quote.
Agreed with Khoshekh 6 and Random Troper 123, I would also argue that the quote works well as an In-Universe example of the trope (ie: something that is widely considered as fact when it is actually untrue).
Technically speaking though, the trope seems to refer to misconceptions about works of media that have become so prevalent that non fans assume they’re true, when the misconceptions can be refuted simply by watching the work. In the In-Universe context of the scene, all the rules about time travel that Rhodey attributes to the movies that he lists are actually accurate to those films. Bruce was saying that those rules don’t apply to what is real life for the characters In-Universe. So it’s not a case of Rhodes having Common Knowledge about In-Universe works.
Edited by costanton11 on Sep 29th 2022 at 9:59:26 AM
Common Knowledge cleanup
might be able to help determine if it illustrates the concept enough to fit despite not being an example.
On the subject, This Image Is Not an Example is a list of images used despite not being examples because they still effectively illustrate the concept. Should we also have a "This Quote Is Not an Example" page? Or are quotes different than images such they need to be valid examples? If not there are some that need to be cut.

I want to cut the page quote on Heroic Build
The trope is specifically supposed to be about superheroes with perfect muscular physiques.