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This thread is for general discussion of page quotes, whether to change, move or remove them.

Unused quotes should be put on a Quotes Wiki page (just replace the namespace in the URL of the wiki page you are making a quotes page for with Quotes/).

Image captions are discussed elsewhere and have their own thread in the Image Pickin' forum.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 10th 2024 at 5:50:24 AM

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#5076: Aug 27th 2018 at 8:00:24 PM

Someone mentioned that Beware the Nice Ones shares a quote with Beware the Quiet Ones. I think they could both be changed tbh, but it's got more to do with quietness so let's work on "nice":

There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.

Now calm down, Ned-dily-diddly-diddly-diddly... they did their best, shoddily-iddly-iddly-diddly... gotta be nice, hostily-iddly-biddly-diddly... AH HELL diddly-ding-dong-CRAP! Can't you morons do anything right?!
Ned Flanders, The Simpsons

I prefer the former myself.

Edited by johnnye on Aug 27th 2018 at 4:00:36 PM

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#5077: Aug 27th 2018 at 8:21:31 PM

[up]Also prefer the first one. The Flanders fits waaaay better under some other trope.

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#5078: Aug 27th 2018 at 8:26:44 PM

[up][up] Thirding the first one.

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#5079: Aug 27th 2018 at 9:14:57 PM

Also throwing in my hat for the first option.

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#5080: Aug 27th 2018 at 9:25:12 PM

The second one doesn't even demonstrate the trope, I don't think. Anyway, I've changed the quote.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#5081: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:57:35 PM

Hold the Line had its quote changed recently. I'm not a fan of either one, as I think they're both too long.

Old quote:

""You all know the mission, and what is at stake. I have come to trust each of you with my life - but I have also heard murmurs of discontent. I share your concerns. We are trained for espionage. We would be legends, but the records are sealed. Glory in battle is not our way. Think of our heroes: the Silent Step, who defeated a nation with a single shot. Or the Ever Alert, who kept armies at bay with hidden facts. These giants do not seem to give us solace here, but they are not all that we are. Before the network, there was the fleet. Before diplomacy, there were soldiers! Our influence stopped the rachni, but before that we held the line! Our influence stopped the krogan, but before that, we held the line! Our influence will stop Saren. In the battle today, we will hold the line!"
Kirrahe, Mass Effect 1

New quote:

"LOOK AT THIS FUCKING GUARDSMAN. He's spent months fighting a grueling war in which his enemies are demigods allied with daemons, and now he's found himself in the closest thing to Hell he's ever known. He probably wasn't even supposed to get teleported up to the arch-traitor's battle barge in the first place, and just ended up in the wrong place at the worst possible time. Somehow he's survived horrors beyond comprehension to make his way to the very bridge of Horus' flagship. He saw a veritable angel call upon Horus to answer for his crimes, and he saw that angel die as messily as any guardsman. His Emperor - who he fervently believes is a god incarnate, even if he's not supposed to - lies mortally wounded, and Horus, perhaps, has taken a moment to gloat before he strikes the killing blow. His armor is slightly more effective than tissue paper, his weapon slightly more powerful than a flashlight. A single electrified claw from Horus' weapon is bigger than his entire body. He stands before a being infused by the dark gods with incalculable power, that can and will obliterate his soul with no more effort than it would take him to swat a gnat. Nothing he can do could possibly make a difference. He could run. He could turn his weapon on himself. He could give in to the insidious whispers that echo from the ship's corridors into his mind. Instead, Ollanius Pius does the duty his Emperor requires of him. He dies standing and holds the FUCKING line."
A unknown poster, Warhammer 40K

New quote also has the "anonymous" issue, some minor grammar, and probably more swearing than necessary. Other options:

"We have weathered fiercer storms than this! Hold the line, damn you. You will not embarrass the Emperor today by dying!"
Chaplain Varnus of the Ultramarines, Dawn of War: Winter Assault

"The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!"
Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Star Trek: First Contact

"Eighteen times, the Horselords charged, and eighteen times, the Unsullied locked their shields, lowered their spears, and held the line against twenty thousand Dothraki screamers. When the Khal's archers rained arrows on them, the Unsullied lifted their shields above their heads until the squall passed... and then they held the line. In the end, only six hundred Unsullied remained, but more than twelve thousand Dothraki lay dead, including Khal Temo and all his sons."
Ser Jorah Mormont, Game of Thrones: History and Lore of Westeros - The Unsullied

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#5082: Sep 1st 2018 at 10:29:01 PM

The current quote for Narrator All Along is the main twist for Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors, and should probably be replaced for that reason.

The best I could do to fix it up was to credit the line to "The Narrator", but no matter how it's formatted, the quote reveals that the narrator is not Junpei. (And for what it's worth, the 999 page lists it as a Wham Line, as evidence of its spoilery nature.)

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#5083: Sep 1st 2018 at 11:32:35 PM

[up][up] Yeah, those two are way too long. Out of your suggestions, I like the Star Trek one the most, but we might be able to make the original Mass Effect quote work if we just trim it to the last few lines.

"Before the network, there was the fleet. Before diplomacy, there were soldiers! Our influence stopped the rachni, but before that, we held the line! Our influence stopped the krogan, but before that, we held the line! Our influence will stop Saren. In the battle today, we will hold the line!"
Captain Kirrahe, Mass Effect

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#5084: Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:58:34 AM

[up] That works.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#5085: Sep 2nd 2018 at 7:09:10 PM

It would be nice if the quote for Hold the Line doesn't use those exact words, but the best suggestions do.


Narrator All Along seems to be a trope frequently associated with The Reveal. Is there a work where It Was His Sled that could be used instead?
Rhymes on a Dime and Rhyming List are using the same quote (just displayed differently). I think the quote is Not An Example of Rhyming List anyway, and would like to suggest the "Catalog of Ships" from The Trojan Cycle when I have time to find a copy online.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#5086: Sep 3rd 2018 at 1:25:15 PM

I swapped out the quote on Hold the Line for the shortened Kirrahe quote.

Would anyone object to me changing the quote on Rhyming with Itself to this? [down]

Apu, Moe and Otto: "Come on, Homer! Come on, Homer! Pretend this is baseball and hit us a homer!"
[...]
Homer: "By the way: rhyming "Homer" with "homer"? *Kisses his fingers* "Mwah!"
The Simpsons, "Team Homer"

The current one's a little unwieldy.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#5087: Sep 3rd 2018 at 4:44:56 PM

For reference, Rhyming with Itself has this quote:

Binky: People think I can't write a poem,
But they are so wrong, I CAN write a poem.
I wrote this one, I wrote this poem,
And I gave it the title "Binky's Poem".
So SHUT UP! The end!
Muffy: That's not a poem. He rhymed "poem" with "poem" four times!
Arthur, "I'm a Poet"

I don't think there is anything unweildy about this quote, and the Simpsons suggestion is worse because of the [...] gap.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 3rd 2018 at 7:44:32 AM

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#5088: Sep 3rd 2018 at 5:14:25 PM

[up] I only added the gap for accuracy, it's not essential for it to stay in.

Apu, Moe and Otto: "Come on, Homer! Come on, Homer! Pretend this is baseball and hit us a homer!"
Homer: "Rhyming "Homer" with "homer"? *Kisses his fingers* "Mwah!"
The Simpsons, "Team Homer"

What I meant by unwieldy was that it overuses line breaks, making it seem longer than it really is.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#5089: Sep 3rd 2018 at 6:20:13 PM

Poems in general tend to "overuse line breaks", see Midword Rhyme for some extreme examples. In fact, to match with poetic lines, I would've said to format The Simpsons quote this way:

Apu, Moe and Otto: "Come on, Homer! Come on, Homer!
Pretend this is baseball and hit us a homer!"
[...]
Homer: "By the way, rhyming "Homer" with "homer"? *Kisses his fingers* "Mwah!"
The Simpsons, "Team Homer"

Unless Homer's line was in response to theirs, that gap is required to accurately convey the quote. My problem with the change relates to the fact that Rhyming with Itself has nothing to do with time lapse. It should be included on the quotes subpage, but I think we have a better one already on the main page. It would be interesting if other people shared their thoughts as well.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#5090: Sep 4th 2018 at 10:27:57 AM

[up] The problem with that is that it's also formatted like a normal conversation, which is why I think it's unwieldy: it's got two conflicting styles. If it were formatted like this:

People think I can't write a poem
But they are so wrong, I CAN write a poem
I wrote this one, I wrote this poem
And I gave it the title "Binky's Poem"
So SHUT UP! The end!
Binky, Arthur

That'd be better.

Here's the scene from The Simpsons with the full quote. You can decide for yourself if the gap is necessary.

MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#5091: Sep 4th 2018 at 5:00:30 PM

The page quote for "The Reason You Suck" Speech is also on its Quotes page. The site rules say that's not tenable. Why don't I do something about that myself? Because clearly it's considered a real winner so I don't feel like advocating a replacement for it and more to the point, I've had my fill of that quote for one lifetime and don't want to interact with it again.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#5092: Sep 4th 2018 at 5:03:26 PM

Where in the world did you read that rule? Of course page quotes should be on the quote page. It's a list of any good quotes relating to the trope/work, so if the page quote is any good, it will be there too. Plus there's a backup if someone replaces it.

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#5093: Sep 4th 2018 at 5:43:35 PM

[up] Don't know for certain where I first heard it, but I saw Ferot_Dreadnaught delete a page quote from Pragmatic Villainy (see here for details) on that basis, which is probably one of them. Also, I brought this up for Not So Different having its page quote on the Quotes page, nobody said it could be on both.

Edited by MinisterOfSinister on Sep 4th 2018 at 1:43:14 PM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#5094: Sep 8th 2018 at 8:32:39 PM

I recently gave NightmareFuel.Street Fighter a page quote.

Under Bison's rule, the world was wrapped in the darkness of one man's evil.

Vulcan422 changed it to this one without an edit reason.

M. Bison, the King of Darkness, sits atop his throne with all opposition to his power destroyed.
No World Warriors or New Challengers remained in M. Bison's way.

M. Bison: Ha ha ha ha! Is there no one left?
With no one left to stand up to M. Bison's Psycho Power, the world is doomed to fall under the shroud of Shadaloo's evil.
M. Bison: The entire planet will kneel before me! Ha ha ha ha!
This world is MINE!
—M. Bison's Ending, Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix

Which one do you guys prefer? I kinda feel like the first one is simultaneously more direct, kinda poetic, and Nothing Is Scarier, though the second one is good too for the details added.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Sep 8th 2018 at 11:32:14 AM

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#5095: Sep 9th 2018 at 6:13:15 AM

Here let me tell of the captains, and their ships.
First the Boeotians, led by Peneleos, Leitus, Arcesilaus, Prothoenor and Clonius;
they came from Hyrie and stony Aulis,
from Schoenus, Scolus and high-ridged Eteonus;
from Thespeia and Graea, and spacious Mycalessus;
from the villages of Harma, Eilesium and Erythrae;
from Eleon, Hyle, Peteon, Ocalea and Medeon's stronghold;
from Copae, Eutresis, and dove-haunted Thisbe;
from Coroneia and grassy Haliartus, Plataea and Glisas, and the great citadel of Thebes;
from sacred Onchestus, Poseidon's bright grove;
from vine-rich Arne, Mideia, holy Nisa and coastal Anthedon.
They captained fifty ships, each with a hundred and twenty young men.
The Trojan Cycle ("Catalog of Ships", the first fleet of roughly thirty fleets)

Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 9th 2018 at 6:17:29 AM

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#5096: Sep 9th 2018 at 1:16:38 PM

@Minister Of Sinister, the last time you came here you were proposing removing a quote from the work's main page simply because it was duplicated on the Quote page.

I really don't know what you think the Quote page is for, but it's just an archive. It's a list of quotes that have in the past not been considered good enough, for whatever reason, to be the page quote. Whether the page quote also appears there or not is largely inconsequential, but it being there certainly isn't a reason for it to not be the page quote. If you must delete one of them, obviously you'd delete the one on the quote page, but there's nothing wrong with having a duplicate.

Priority 1: Make sure the best possible candidate is the main page quote.
Priority 2: Put any remaining good-but-not-good-enough suggestions on the Quotes page.


  • Vote for the shorter quote for Street Fighter, other one is way too long
  • Vote for the Simpsons quote for Rhymes With Itself
  • I agree that the current one for Rhyming List isn't an example — in fact we may as well remove it for the time being — but I don't really like the Trojan War one either; for something as long as it is, you kind of have to squint to see a rhyme scheme.

Best option might be the most obvious:

I do not like them in a box
I do not like them with a fox
I will not eat them in a house
I do not like them with a mouse
I do not like them here or there
I do not like them ANYWHERE!

Edited by johnnye on Sep 9th 2018 at 9:34:23 AM

MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#5097: Sep 9th 2018 at 10:43:34 PM

[up]Well, in that specific instance, the counterpart on the quotes page was identical but for a pothole, and I thought it would be better off there than on the main page. Someone pointed out the quote I wanted to replace it with was already on the quotes page, so I just deleted it on the quotes page rather than get into a fight over which was better. That sounded like an unpleasant slog with dubious chances of success.

But hey, if that's the case, someone should tell Ferot_Dreadnaught, no?

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#5099: Sep 11th 2018 at 3:40:35 PM

I have a concern regarding the Dethroning Moment page for Regular Show. It explicitly quotes from a Walking Spoiler, but I've spoiled the name out to prevent spoilers.

"Bad show. Jolly bad show."
Malum Kranus aka Anti-Pops himself, ladies and gentlemen. Perhaps he has Medium Awareness and is actually referring to these moments?

Should it be removed or do I spoil the name out?

Eh, good enough.
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#5100: Sep 11th 2018 at 3:53:04 PM

Is the line sufficiently impactful in context that you could remove the attribution and anyone who has seen the show would still know who said it? If so, I'd do it like that.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.

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