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Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
The armored raven
#551: Jun 18th 2012 at 3:16:05 PM

There will BE no evidence of that, I'm sure. It's just a stuff made up to exagerrate the site's 'crimes' to facilitate the takedown

What profit is it to a man, when he gains his money, but loses his internet? Anonymous 16:26 I believe...
abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#552: Jun 18th 2012 at 3:18:13 PM

I've recently switched to Mediafire until this case is over, and it saddens me that Mediafire's CEO actually said "We're not like them." sad

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#553: Jun 18th 2012 at 3:25:41 PM

That's probably a reassurance to convey that they won't get arrested and the site shut down. Looking like you're not going down any time soon is important for a company.

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
The armored raven
#555: Jun 28th 2012 at 3:14:08 PM

Yeah, that's about like it

What profit is it to a man, when he gains his money, but loses his internet? Anonymous 16:26 I believe...
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#556: Jun 28th 2012 at 9:13:04 PM

I wonder if the government will actually return the servers to Dotcom?

abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#557: Jun 28th 2012 at 9:18:41 PM

Don't they have to? Otherwise it's unwarranted seizure.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#558: Jun 28th 2012 at 10:00:09 PM

Only if a US court orders that the stuff be released back, I think.

The US doesn't have to obey any orders from the NZ courts.

abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#559: Jun 28th 2012 at 10:02:22 PM

But eventually US courts will have to reach a verdict about this too, and the government has to follow the verdict.

I'm sure the court's going to rule on the seizure part if it falls under US jurisdiction.

edited 28th Jun '12 10:03:25 PM by abstractematics

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#560: Jun 28th 2012 at 10:06:58 PM

If I were a federal prosecutor in the employ of the RIAAdisclaimer

, and New Zealand refused extradition, I might keep the case against Dotcom open, and try to have him declared a fugitive, thus barring him from any civil access to the drives (as well as allowing him to be extradited if he so much as sets foot off NZ soil).

If someone is a fugitive from justice, they're generally barred from receiving any legal relief through the courts.

TheProffesor The Professor from USA Since: Jan, 2011
#561: Jun 29th 2012 at 12:25:27 AM

I'm not sure why people would use megaupload when Google Drive is just as good. And Google.

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
The armored raven
#562: Jun 29th 2012 at 3:02:24 AM

[up]I'm not sure why you're in this thread to begin with.

What profit is it to a man, when he gains his money, but loses his internet? Anonymous 16:26 I believe...
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#563: Jun 29th 2012 at 9:38:15 AM

^^ Do you need an account to upload stuff to Google Drive?

primeyandereheika Since: Dec, 2009
fakeangelbr The Awesomest Character from Fortaleza, Brazil Since: Jan, 2010
0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
Just awesome like that
#566: Sep 27th 2012 at 2:00:49 PM

You could explain what it is for people who don't click on the link, y'know.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#567: Sep 27th 2012 at 3:04:47 PM

Short extract from the article coming up, but the gist of it is that the Prime Minister of New Zealand is pissed at the intelligence services of New Zealand bending over and letting those of the Americans shaft them over the Kim Dotcom case:

"New Zealand's security services failed at a basic level, both in fact and law, in the Dotcom case.

The head of New Zealand's Government Communications and Security Bureau (GCSB), Ian Fletcher, has been roasted by New Zealand Prime Minister John Key over the Kim Dotcom case. Basic failures in fact and in law, said Prime Minster Key in a video interview, were what caused the GCSB to blunder so badly.

"I apologize to Kim Dotcom, and to New Zealanders," said Prime Minister Key, who went on to say that he was "appalled" at GCSB's mistakes. When asked whether he had asked for an explanation from GCSB head Fletcher, Prime Minister Key said that he had, but that "I'm not entirely sure I've had a completely satisfactory answer. "

Kim Dotcom has already responded to the Prime Minister's apology via Twitter. Dotcom accepted the apology, but demanded a "full, transparent and independent inquiry" into the Megaupload case. "Show the world that your government is not an American dancing bear and that fairness and due process matter in New Zealand," Dotcom Tweeted."

In Imperial Japan, that kind of anger from either the Emperor or the Shogun would cause its recipient to get the old family shortsword out and gut himself like a kipper.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#568: Sep 27th 2012 at 3:25:39 PM

Heh; Mr. Dotcom's name is still ridiculous. But whatever.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#569: Sep 27th 2012 at 3:44:20 PM

[up] As opposed to FM-2030's full name?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
Just awesome like that
#570: Sep 27th 2012 at 7:47:53 PM

Gracias, Tam.

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entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#571: Sep 27th 2012 at 8:29:48 PM

lol actually Tam, all the NZ PM is doing is damage control, since the actions of the GCSB are supposed to be known to him, since that agency reports directly to the Prime Minister. But if he really doesn't know anything, then that means he's a useless PM who doesn't even know what those under him are doing.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#572: Sep 27th 2012 at 9:54:25 PM

Eh nope. No intelligence agency tells a prime minister or a president even a tenth of the stuff they get up to. Especially when it comes to what amounts to committing treason and conspiring with foreign powers to subvert the laws of their own country. Which is what the New Zealand spooks were doing.

They got caught, and the prime minister is having to back track frantically. I don't think the spook agency boss is long for his job.

entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#573: Sep 27th 2012 at 10:19:02 PM

[up]The GCSB is like the CIA in what they are tasked to do but not like the CIA in their "accountability." Apparently all of their "operations" need the PM informed, or at least the Deputy PM.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10836884

And it's quite weird that there is "confusion" regarding Dotcom's residency when in the "planning document" for the raid itself, they explicitly stated that he "has New Zealand residency."

edited 27th Sep '12 10:20:36 PM by entropy13

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#574: Sep 27th 2012 at 10:35:27 PM

Now that is really interesting. I wonder how much blood will be on the carpet to get rid of this embarrassment?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#575: Sep 28th 2012 at 6:30:38 AM

Do I sense relatively massive bureaucratic blunders involved? Really, that would be the only plausible explanation for the NZ PM not being at least fully informed by the GSCB, and the confusion about Mr. Dotcom's place of residence.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

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