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Rosvo1 Since: Aug, 2009
#10751: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:50:37 PM

Do special forces use crossbows?

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#10752: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:56:55 PM

And don't forget, things like the "smatchet" (a heavy knife that was designed to kill a German with those iconic helmets, a "smashing hatchet") were so that you could take out a sentry and then take his gun.

The dart in the 1911, Tuffel's right. Silencer tech was crude back then. The problem with some silenced subsonic rounds? They can be stopped by obstacles, I'm guessing that the dart was to penetrate heavy clothing (or maybe armor) and to make it accurate.

As for the "non-lethal round" for the Glock. Ugh, once again an LEO is taken by hucksters. It's a very stupid design.

  • A shooter will more than likely blow off their own fingers putting the silly plastic contraption on than "stun" with the silly thing.

  • Target Fixation: the reason full-auto was taken off the M-16. Shooters can get hyped up and hold down the trigger or just keep shooting.

So some Daniel Boon will get spooked and shot the first round and stun the target. Then squeeze off another round and now he ded.

Tasers have their critics, but like any tool they can be misused. But this orange thing makes the taser look like a love tap.

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#10753: Feb 5th 2015 at 9:53:44 PM

[up][up] Situationally, on occasion.

From what I've read at least, most use it for launching grappling hooks for a variety of purposes. The Serbians have quite a few that they used because they could get them through an arms embargo awhile ago. The Chinese also use them to some extent in riots and such, with wikipedia claiming they're also used against suicide bombers to try and prevent detonating the explosives.

edited 5th Feb '15 9:57:08 PM by Joesolo

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#10754: Feb 6th 2015 at 3:28:17 AM

The Chinese have them for shooting possible suicide bombers because of reduced risk of setting off the explosives and bolt or arrow sticking out of you tends to be fairly effective in slowing folks down by painfully inhibiting movement.

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ManInGray from Israel Since: Jul, 2011
#10755: Feb 6th 2015 at 5:08:41 AM

Isn't that the one that had the specially designed cylinder that could seal around the barrel to prevent gas escaping?

Yeah. Aside from the cylinder going around the barrel, the case- which is very long and surrounds the bullet- goes into it. I wonder why it wasn't a more common feature.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#10756: Feb 6th 2015 at 7:11:12 AM

Something about only being able to load from the gate and not a speedloader and more complications.

Oh really when?
ManInGray from Israel Since: Jul, 2011
#10757: Feb 7th 2015 at 6:39:07 AM

I don't see why it couldn't be used in a break-action or slide-out revolver. Didn't seem very complex, either. The double-action trigger pull is hard, though, and that's because of this extra movement.

edited 7th Feb '15 6:49:37 AM by ManInGray

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#10758: Feb 7th 2015 at 7:28:34 AM

It can't be a break action because of how the mechanism is built into the piece. It is also more complicated then most revolvers requiring not only additional moving parts but much closer fit to ensure the seal works correctly.

Semi-Auto Pistols do the same thing only better.

edited 7th Feb '15 7:29:26 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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ManInGray from Israel Since: Jul, 2011
#10759: Feb 7th 2015 at 7:46:42 AM

There was a swing-out version, though it wasn't adopted; http://www.russianrevolvers.com/n_Belg1910.html

They do it better now, but back when revolvers were widely used, that little extra power (and accuracy?) would have been useful. Maybe not enough...

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#10760: Feb 7th 2015 at 8:16:07 AM

That is a swing out and they built part of the mechanism differently the M1895 Nagant. They would have to make further changes to the design to make it a break action. The Way the 1895 was built they couldn't make it a break or a swing out they had to change the overall design to achieve that.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10761: Feb 7th 2015 at 8:59:58 AM

What's wrong with gate-loaded revolvers anyway?

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l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#10762: Feb 7th 2015 at 9:00:36 AM

The fact that they're tedious to reload?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#10763: Feb 7th 2015 at 9:03:48 AM

That's about it though.

I dunno, proper revolver reloads have a certain charm to them. Speedloaders take the fun out of it.

Oh really when?
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#10764: Feb 7th 2015 at 9:32:35 AM

They are slow to load and extract spent casings. Speed loaders are not meant to be sexy they are meant to make you faster making the other guy deader sooner.

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l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#10765: Feb 7th 2015 at 10:02:52 AM

Anybody recall that Streetsweeper revolver shotgun? It also had that same problem with extremely slow reload times, having to manually eject every shell. Also, I think you had to wind up a spring in he cylinder to make sure it kept rotating.

The need for that was removed in later versions, though.

edited 7th Feb '15 10:05:16 AM by l3wt

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#10766: Feb 7th 2015 at 10:12:37 AM

Yes. It had a big high tension spring and it was a pain in the ass to reload. The spring was hard to wind up requiring a fair bit of effort.

Kind of Interesting bit of Kit.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#10767: Feb 7th 2015 at 10:13:12 AM

Oh what's that Russian revolver shotgun? Nice and cool looking, swing out cylinder.

Oh really when?
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#10769: Feb 7th 2015 at 10:26:21 AM

Yeah that one. It looks awesome.

And of course it's made by a subdivision of KBP.

I wonder if I could get one.

Oh really when?
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10770: Feb 7th 2015 at 10:32:36 AM

Someone mentioned the Streetsweeper.

Odd that no-one seems to hold the gate-loader thing against the Single Action Army.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#10771: Feb 7th 2015 at 12:52:25 PM

Hmm odd you say.

Odd that the SAA is 20 years older and even then had a spring loaded ejector rod or odd that break top action with self extraction 8 years before the Nagant Revolver design. Or you know odd that there were sufficient advances in weapon design easily accessible that would have made a more effective revolver design instead of a design over 20 years old by that point and reminiscent of the cap and ball and early black powder cartridge revolvers like the SAA in the first place.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10772: Feb 8th 2015 at 4:12:05 PM

So apparently the easiest way to get around ATF declaring your shotgun a "destructive device" is to re-chamber it in .45/70 and sell it as a pistol.

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PRC4Eva Since: Jan, 2001
#10773: Feb 11th 2015 at 1:07:31 PM

So, what kind of groupings should I be able to achieve on stock SKS with iron sights?

And what's considered a good handgun grouping for various distances?

BlackOps05 Since: Sep, 2014
#10774: Feb 11th 2015 at 11:33:06 PM

Colt's financial issues just got me wondering: Which manufactures do produce the best AR platforms for a reasonable price?

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#10775: Feb 12th 2015 at 3:20:44 PM

[up]Bushmaster, DPMS, Bravo Company Machine, LMT, Rock River Arms...

That's off the top of my head...

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