@guns in crimes: I don't feel that the State has the right to arbitrarily confiscate property and destroy it without compensating the original owner if said owner did not use it to break the law. Whatever else they are, firearms are valuable property.
Anyhow, we're wandering somewhat far afield from what I'd originally intended this thread to be about...I'd say this is a topic that warrants its own thread.
I've debated for years about getting a CPL; mostly for convenience's sake if I owned a handgun *. I've also debated carrying a handgun regularly. Anyone else here do this? How much of a pain in the ass is it?
edited 27th Jan '12 2:52:03 PM by drunkscriblerian
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~Drunk: It depends on your local. A lot of businesses do not like people other then Law officers or Federal equivalent carrying guns on the property. In Nebraska they have to place visible no fire arms permitted signs on the entry points of the building. So a lot of places will be places you can't bring your gun.
Who watches the watchmen?Well, what's 'strict', really :p
Obtaining a license in the Netherlands involves:
- an application at the commissioner of police
- Not having an offence on your record up to 8 years prior
There's a few more vague requirements such as "showing sufficient reason to apply for" and "there not being fear of abuse of" said license. Although I understand in practice this means either being a hunter and/or active member of a shooting club.
Then there's technical requirements such as separate storage of weapons and ammunition in a gunsafe, etc.
Licences are valid for one year (after which they may be extended.)
Do note that none of this is first hand knowledge, as the effort involved is quite much for what is a minor interest of mine. (Not to mention the flak I'd catch from my relatives/housemates for it)
^^It reminds me of the police ''commandeering''
your vehicle thing.
edited 27th Jan '12 3:58:03 PM by joeyjojo
hashtagsarestupidAn interesting pistol Wildey Magnum
A gas Operated pistol that can change the barrel for different calibers and has an adjustable gas collar to accomadate the different rounds.
Fires a variety of .40+ caliber high power ammo that is usually used for hunting rounds.
edited 27th Jan '12 5:18:46 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?Okay, that is a beautiful piece of work. And for bonus points, here's a picture of the carbine version: [1]
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edited 27th Jan '12 5:17:17 PM by Balmung
@Tuefel: yeah, the Wildey is quite a slick piece of equipment. Pity Magnum Research stole all their good ideas and profited more heavily from them with the now-ubiquitous Desert Eagle.
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~Joey:Carful to not mix up the Wildey with the .44 Automag
They do look
similar.
Some other large caliber Pistols I found interesting.
Automag IV
firing .45 Winchester Magnum and Auto Mag V
firing the fabled .50 Action Express Round. Keep your Deagle. I will take the Automag V over it :P
Oops got ninjad sorry drunk.
edited 27th Jan '12 6:23:51 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?@Tuefel: I wasn't, AFAIK. The AMP Automag was recoil-operated, the Wildey has a gas-action (just like the Desert Eagle). The Wildey can change calibers with a few interchangeable parts (again, just like the Desert Eagle).
Also, as I hear it the AMP design failed due to spectacularly bad business practices, rather than a failure in design.
edited 27th Jan '12 6:25:09 PM by drunkscriblerian
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~Joey: It is. Designed by the IMI and the Magnum Research Institute in the U.S. When the MRI got bought out the designs went to the IMI in Israel.
Remember someone mentioning the Taurus Judge pistol earlier? One of their models the Taurus Raging Judge can fire the the .454 Casull, .45, and the .410 shotgun shells.
edited 27th Jan '12 6:29:46 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?@Tuefel: your turn to ninja me.
And, I hope the frame on the Raging Judge is bigger than the original Judge, or that pistol would be a wrist-breaker firing .454.
edited 27th Jan '12 6:40:26 PM by drunkscriblerian
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~Sounds kick ass
, anyone else immediately think of the Law Giver
Probably.
Also, had a question; I'm writing a "gun safety lecture" scene into my novel, and since I'm troubling to do so I want it to be correct. The characters are discussing the proper way to carry a single-action revolver without running the risk of shooting oneself.
Now, I've heard it two ways; that you could set the cylinder between rounds so that a hard blow to the hammer wouldn't set one off, and I've heard that you had to leave one chamber empty to avoid that problem. Does anyone know for sure which it is (or are both possible)? I will note that the novel is a fantastical one, so if its not possible to set the cylinder like I described with specific models of pistol I'm not too worried about that.
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~Drunk: Sounds fine to me. In the John Wayne Movie The Shootist the main character teaches a kid to keep the hammer on a empty chamber as a safety. He then tells the kid that if his gut tells him he needs that round in that chamber, to load it.
Not sure how you would make it rest between chambers and not have an issue though.
edited 28th Jan '12 4:32:40 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?@Tuefel: I think that was from cap-and-ball revolvers like the 1851 Navy; they had a notch for the hammer to rest on between percussion caps, so that a tap to the hammer wouldn't set one off (jouncing being a common occurrence for people like horsemen). I was wondering if something similar would be possible with a cartridge-firing revolver.
EDIT: here's a picture.
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edited 28th Jan '12 4:40:06 PM by drunkscriblerian
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~I think that is the turning post. That the little nub the mechanism pushes against to rotate the chamber. Or that is part of the barrel alignment mechanism. The reason I say that is the peg roughly in line with notches that align the chambers. This is also the only pistol I can find a reference to a safety peg as being part of the weapon.
I would say I am not sure unless I can find something that says that it is deliberately used as a safety peg. I did find references to resting the hammer between chambers though. They would pull the trigger to rotate the cylinder then rotate it a little bit more by hand before easing the hammer down and letting off of the trigger.
Edit 2: Ok did some more digging. I can find at least three pistols all made by colt that have that safety peg. The Colt Navy, Colt Army, and Colt Walker. However some of the cylinders made for the pistols did not have the peg.
I can find nothing that says these are safety pegs but I am willing to say they are. I can not think of any other reason for those pegs to be there. There are ratchet slots on the back of the cylinder to turn the cylinder and alignment notches to lock the cylinder in place like on modern pistols. So it is likely they are for safety like you originally suggested.
edited 29th Jan '12 12:14:12 AM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?I think this man makes a very compelling argument in favour of gun ownership.
This article was pivotal in making me change my mind on the topic. But I'm still afraid of the author having started with the premise "gun ownership discourages crime and government oppression" and then fitting the arguments to get to that bottom line. Aren't there lots of countries where civilians (expecially the mob) have access to weaponry, but the country is more unstable, bloody and dangerous as a result?
By the way, what rules of gun ownership did we leave in Irak and Afghanistan?
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Yeah, Hawaii is pretty strict, too.
Less strict if all you want is a long arm, though. Handguns are quite restricted here.
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