Also, a good many weapons used in crimes are stolen...because the owner is liable for what is done with his firearm whether or not he actually did it. So, good argument for A: registering your guns, B: keeping them securely locked up (exercising "due diligence" in keeping them secure can indemnify you if this issue comes up) and C: reporting them stolen promptly.
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~Budget guns:
Jennings, Taurus PT-92 and 709 Slim, Kel-Tec PF 9, S&W Sigma, Ruger P95, plus there's certified pre-owend handguns from Sig Sauer and Glock, as well as some others.
Cheap guns are good enough, if that's all you have.
Anyone familiar with shotguns? I'm sort of shopping around for one and was wondering if there was a good competitor to the Big Three (Mossberg, Remington and Ithaca). I wouldn't mind something like this,
◊ but the Law says I can't have it (barrel's too short).
Any suggestions? Price is the main object but I do want the thing to work.
Traditional turn-bolts are a lot simpler. You can screw up the reassembly of certain straight-pull designs and end up having the bolt fly back into your face when the weapon is discharged.
It's quite hard to screw that up with a turn-bolt.
Considering the oftentimes conscripted nature of recruits, turn-bolts made a lot more sense. Easy to train on, simple to maintain, less chance of blowing a recruits face off, it's a win-win.
Scrib, Gunbroker might have some pricing info, they have all sorts of stuff for sale. It's like the eBay of firearms.
edited 26th Jan '12 5:53:36 PM by pvtnum11
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.![]()
The hillbilly in me would suggest a double-barreled model. Also, a good huntin' dog.
Meow
edited 26th Jan '12 6:19:32 PM by OscarWildecat
Please spay/neuter your pets. Also, defang your copperheads.I remember watching an episode of the show that had the one true Coroner, Quincy M.E., where a stolen .22 revolver was shown to be cursed. I lost count of the amounts of fatal shootings it was involved in, and the amounts of dirtbags who it was passed along to, yet the police, when it was recovered from the latest dirtbag to have owned the gun, gave it back to its original owner.
Who was stupid enough to leave in a place where his childers could access it and the older brother shot his younger sister before the cut to black and credits.
My question is, does this reflect reality? If a gun is used in multiple homicides and the original buyer was manifestly incapable of tying his own shoe laces and gets the gun stolen, would he get it back?
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For Americans that question depends on the state. Usually if a gun is involved in a crime it takes a loooooong time to get it back, and you'll get it back in shit condition. They have a tendency to send murder weapons to the FBI where they take them apart inch by inch. A cop friend of mine has been involved in a few shootings where he used his personal weapon, and he was pissed that his 1400 dollar kimber 1911 was MIA with the FBI for about 8 months. He said he got it back and it was never the same.
Hmm. I don't see it as punishing the owner, I see it as destroying something tainted. Over here, firearms that are taken from criminals are checked for ballistics and then scrapped. The legitimate owners, if any, don't get them back.
That particular gun I was referring to was cursed. And I facepalmed when the cops gave it back to the owner over Quincy's strenous objections. I had a different kind of reaction when the kid shot his sister.
Like Barkey said it really depends on the state, hell even sometimes the city. In omaha you can get your gun back after the trial is over but you have to prove to can better secure it. You also have to have had first registered your fire arm with the police and reported it stolen as soon as you noticed it was missing.
Who watches the watchmen?....."tainted"? The weapon itself is no different no matter who uses it. I'm sure you would feel different about personal possessions being taken by the police and destroyed if it were your possessions. I'm not exactly sure how you don't see it as punishing the owner, specifically since you mentioned you don't care about that innocent owner losing his weapon and being out hundreds of dollars, which may not matter to you but for most is quite a sum
Balmung: I live in Omaha and have become reasonably acquainted with the laws regarding firearms ownership. Mostly because I have looked into purchasing a handgun for target shooting and plinking. One of the former guards also did armed guard work and had to go do the whole jumping through hoops with the city to be able to do it. We talked about the various gun laws off and on.
edited 27th Jan '12 1:57:30 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?Huh, with that (stated) location, I assumed you lived in Colorado or something.
Due to circumstances (family positions on gun ownership, living on campus, etc), my interest in firearms and how they work and whatnot is substantially greater than the odds of me owning one in the next five to ten years.
edited 27th Jan '12 2:04:51 PM by Balmung

Not so much, gangs throw away or trade off their weapons constantly, because many of them are hot. Sure, you can use your 1300 dollar kimber 1911 to do driveby shootings, but by keeping it you are at the risk of a routine traffic stop turning into "Hey, this guy has the same weapon noted in that spree of shootings, lets investigate this further"
Those cheap guns are the ones that actually leave the house and get used on people, not the nice ones. Gangbangers know to either throw away or bury a murder weapon at a moments notice. And if you do get arrested for possession of a firearm, then at least you pissed away 300 dollars to get confiscated and not 500+