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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Mar 23rd 2013 at 10:25:29 PM

Comment them out as Zero Context Examples, and put a note about it at the tope. Expanding them to proper examples is naturally preferable, though.

See also the Fixing zero context examples thread.

edited 23rd Mar '13 10:26:17 PM by AnotherDuck

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 5th 2013 at 4:17:13 PM

I Know What You Fear has types in examples and description.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Apr 9th 2013 at 10:21:31 PM

Declaration of Protection has a lot of types and it doesn't even look like they would cover every example. Are we trying to get rid of the types completely so it's just one list?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 10th 2013 at 1:17:49 AM

I don't see any "types" there, although I see a confusing soft split.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Apr 10th 2013 at 7:57:34 AM

Yes, there's "The protected person is a Badass themselves," "Failed To Protect Them," etc. Shouldn't those 8 be merged together?

Apr 10th 2013 at 9:43:53 AM

[up][up][up] This thread isn't about pages that list ways in which the trope can manifest (if those are too narrow and causing confusion, the page could be run through the Description Improvement thread); it's about pages that literally have Type I, Type II, etc., attached to permutations of the trope. The presence of such type labels leads to people just providing "Type X" as the "explanation" of examples, which is bad both because it makes it hard to tell if the character/whatever actually is Type X and because it forces readers to navigate to the trope page if they want to have any idea what the example is talking about.

Incidentally, The Leader has come to my attention via the Five-Man Band cleanup as something which still has types.

edited 10th Apr '13 9:46:43 AM by Nocturna

Jun 27th 2013 at 11:53:53 AM

Spin-Off is soft-split into eleven numbered subtypes. That's ridiculous. It's not even funny.

I don't even know where to start sorting out this mess of an example section.

edited 27th Jun '13 12:01:03 PM by Prfnoff

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 27th 2013 at 12:12:10 PM

*Sigh* Another 2300+ wick job? I hope not.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jun 27th 2013 at 4:27:52 PM

That would probably be a separate thread.

Jul 8th 2013 at 2:54:17 PM

You can just delete the type as it provides no useful content at all.

I think this is a stupid way to go about removing type labels. Type labels are intended to say something meaningful, even if they don't say it well; simply removing them, instead of rewriting them properly, usually makes it impossible to tell what they were supposed to be.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Jul 8th 2013 at 4:29:02 PM

Type labels are sometimes just redundant, and it's better to just write how the example uses the trope. In those cases just deleting them (with appropriate changes in description, examples, and wicks) is a good option.

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m8e from Sweden Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
Aug 31st 2013 at 4:23:31 PM

Lead Bassist have a big problem with Type examples. I have sorted the examples, expanded a handful and de-typed a couple or them, but it needs someone that recognize the bassists and what they are known for, and someone that knows music and knows who is generally known.

Pig_catapult Hurler of Swine from Knee-deep in Nightmare Fuel Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Hurler of Swine
Feb 19th 2014 at 8:41:05 PM

Villainous Friendship has numbered type labels, but I'm uncertain if the page even needs delineated "types" in the first place.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Nov 29th 2014 at 4:29:44 PM

I restored the subtypes to Meteor Move. I don't think cleaning up examples of trope subtypes justifies deleting the subtypes altogether, unless they're a gaggle of minor variations that distract from the definition (which is why Lower-Class Lout is now in the Trope Repair Shop).

Sep 24th 2015 at 8:17:09 AM

Been doing a little work on cleaning up type labels independently wherever I spotted them before I realized there was a project thread dedicated to it. I'll try to document anything else I do here as I go.

Morgenthaler Angelic.
Angelic.
Dec 29th 2015 at 4:58:56 AM

Reviving this discussion so we can clean these up. Let's do these a few at a time to make it more manageable.

Easy fix, let's just ax the type labels. "Non-abuse mistaken for abuse" and "abuse mistaken for non-abuse" are just two sides of the same coin.

This needs to be merged. I don't see any sort of subtrope meaning added by the reveal of the tentacled monster's head, just a small internal variation.

This looks to me like at least two different tropes. There's The Family Band, which is a pretty self-evident concept. Other variations look to me more like cases of Real-Life Relative, Sibling Team, or Romance on the Set depending on permutation.

Yeah, I'm not seeing why this has to be subdivided into different sections. It's just variations of the same trope.

All variations on the same trope. Streamline the description.

So this is just "immortal person who looks old"? While I agree that the trope definitely exists (as an inversion of Immortality Begins at Twenty), the mix of types and named internal subtropes is just confusing. Thoughts?

Streamline the description by merging the three, though I do think "snowlem that was once human" has the least reason for being, as it can easily overlap with the other two.

edited 3rd May '16 1:48:28 PM by Morgenthaler

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TheOneWhoTropes FUROR APOCALYPTUS! MAGUS CALAMITOSIS! from Newton-Le-Willows, England (Quaint Town) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
FUROR APOCALYPTUS! MAGUS CALAMITOSIS!
May 3rd 2016 at 11:37:22 AM

Are we still doing this? Or since TRS is now open and we have a dedicated thread to removing crap tropes back to YKTTW, are we going there instead?

edited 3rd May '16 11:38:51 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Goblin King of the Darkstorm Galaxy.
May 4th 2016 at 6:06:37 PM

[up]Trope Repair Shop is and has always been rather crowded. Though I don't think there are too many "Type X" trope pages left to sort through, I think a similar thread for cleaning up unnecessary soft-splits and idiosyncratic example sorting would be worthwhile. Does anyone else think such a thread would be worthwhile?

TheOneWhoTropes FUROR APOCALYPTUS! MAGUS CALAMITOSIS! from Newton-Le-Willows, England (Quaint Town) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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May 5th 2016 at 4:36:30 PM

[up]There is only one page on TRS at the moment, due to cutting of things the mods deem to not be an issue (or go to this other Long term thread for that). And because I worked hard to get what I could done.

Goblin King of the Darkstorm Galaxy.
Jan 26th 2017 at 4:49:30 PM

Extreme Omnivore's subpages have "Type One" and "Type Two" folders.

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