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Alright, so in TRS Badass Gay came up for discussion and it was agreed that there appears to big problem with the Badass X tropes in general, which needs to be sorted out until something can be ruled on for Badass Gay.

Here's a courtesy link: TRS page. And Badass page with its subtropes. You can also visit the sandbox page here.

Noted Problems include:

  • Tropes are just listings of characters people thing are badass who happen to have a certain trait. (The Badass + Trait Problem)
  • Badass X as a naming scheme is actually very vague and doesn't give a lot of insight into what the character trope actually is, assuming it is a trope.
  • Badass X as a naming scheme proliferates the use of Badass + Trait 'tropes'.

Suggested things to do include:

  • Make it a requirement that a badass character trope means a character is "badass because of a trait", or "badass in spite of a trait".
  • Renaming away from the Badass X naming scheme as much as possible.
  • Cut, redefine or re-purpose things that are just Badass + trait.

There are also a lot of tropes that seem to be valid character-types, but have the naming scheme 'Badass X', when there's more to the trope than that. There are also a lot of prop or event or whatever tropes that need to be gone through as well.

Edited by Berrenta on May 15th 2020 at 7:39:14 AM

Feb 2nd 2013 at 2:19:21 PM

The Railgun example is wrong, but not for the reasons it would normally be. Namely, that while she has no powers she's not a Badass Normal to begin with. From what I know of the Alien example, it's correct. That movie randomly gave her superpowers and everyone hated it. Angel Notes is wrong.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Feb 2nd 2013 at 2:47:55 PM

Updated to account for all the As.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:26:03 AM

List now accounts for Y and Z.

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Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:34:46 AM

At least 25%~ misuse with equal amounts correct. The unclear examples also probably have significant misuse. This indicates that there are indeed problems with this trope.

Feb 3rd 2013 at 10:21:19 AM

Definitely need to do something. Is the Badass Automaton crowner ready to be swapped out? We can put a rename one for Badass Abnormal in. Personally, I think all the suggested new names are too clunky, but we'll deal with that when we come to it.

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 3rd 2013 at 10:22:35 AM

11 votes is a bit little.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Feb 4th 2013 at 8:37:31 AM

Eh, calling for a cut.

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Feb 4th 2013 at 8:39:33 AM

As in cutlist cut or redirect?

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 4th 2013 at 8:42:56 AM

Cutlist, redirect if declined.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Feb 4th 2013 at 8:47:08 AM

Shit, I accidentally put it on the cutlist before I meant to. We need to get rid of the wicks first, right? I'll get started on that.

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 4th 2013 at 8:47:35 AM

Yes, unless we want to rely on Wiki Magic for dewicking.

Did R-Z.

edited 4th Feb '13 9:12:13 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Feb 4th 2013 at 9:02:48 AM

A-C done.

D-F finished, time for class.

edited 4th Feb '13 9:14:40 AM by Arha

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 4th 2013 at 9:26:38 AM

Did G-Q.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Feb 5th 2013 at 7:59:44 AM

Oh, the new crowner is up. We should probably put in the thread title what we're actually working on.

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 6th 2013 at 2:01:10 AM

Badass Automaton was just redirected to Killer Robot.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 7th 2013 at 2:18:48 AM

YKTTW spotted.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Feb 7th 2013 at 11:42:51 AM

I sort of noticed lately that we don't quite have a trope for very powerful children unless they happen to fall under Cute Bruiser or another similar trope. I think that's definitely a contrast trope. I'm quite reluctant to have another trope with the word badass in its name, though.

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 7th 2013 at 11:45:08 AM

Superstrong Child or Child Mage is what I am thinking of there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Feb 7th 2013 at 11:52:41 AM

Oh, that covers it. I didn't know we had Superstrong Child. Okay, I'll go let them know the trope is redundant and that we're discouraging more Badass tropes.

Also, we should start coming up with new names for Badass Abnormal.

edited 7th Feb '13 11:53:01 AM by Arha

Feb 10th 2013 at 9:08:12 AM

Okay, it's obviously going to get renamed at this rate. Time to come up with new names.

Feb 10th 2013 at 12:51:41 PM

Empowered Badass Normal? Force Powers For Batman (to mirror Boxing Lessons for Superman)?

[down] That's a good one.

edited 10th Feb '13 12:53:36 PM by Discar

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 10th 2013 at 12:52:27 PM "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Feb 10th 2013 at 2:13:35 PM

Another badass YKTTW: Symbolic Badass

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Feb 10th 2013 at 2:16:10 PM

Is it feasible to have the YKTTW system react to drafts with "Badass" in the title, such that instead of creating them right away, it opens up a warning page that has a link to this thread?

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SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Feb 10th 2013 at 2:17:57 PM

I don't think we make tech fixes for such a small thing.

Use this instead.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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