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i-kun Persona! from Dark Hour Since: May, 2010
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#151: Nov 6th 2012 at 6:45:28 PM

So, here's a site detailing the results of the referendum on the territorial status of Puerto Rico

Basically, Puertorricans were asked two questions, represented by pie charts on the site. The first question, which roughly reads "Do you agree on maintaining the current political status of Puerto Rico?" is represented by the black and white pie chart on the left, and has the "No" option in the lead. The second question urged voters to select a political status of their preference to possibly replace the current 'status quo' regardless of whether they picked 'yes' or 'no' in the first question, is represented by the pie chart on the right, with blue representing Statehood, red representing an 'upgraded' Commonwealth status, and green representing Independence.

In short, Puertorricans are unsatisfied with our current political/territorial status and are favoring the option of Statehood over remaining the same and independence.

Of course, whatever happens, it's all in the hands of Congress and the President.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#152: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:19:53 PM

WAIT!

Did Puerto Rico just vote for statehood?!

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#153: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:20:40 PM

Wow, this is good news! And since both Romney and Obama have both showed interest in granting Puerto Rico's Statehood, that means the only major obstacle now would be getting the US Congress shows interest in the idea. Haven't got a clue on how to that at all though...

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#154: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:23:56 PM

Well, that's certainly an impressive number of people who would prefer that Puerto Rico becomes a state, but I don't know if the number of people who are dissatisfied with current affairs is enough of a margin over those who are satisfied for anything to actually happen.

How much of a majority would be needed in that first question for anything to happen?

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#155: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:34:06 PM

How would Puerto Rico lean exactly? Would it be a swinger,Blue? Red?

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#156: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:40:45 PM

Back in the 2012 elections thread, I seem to recall someone asking what the flag would look like. Well, a couple of people have drawn up 51-star flags, so here's the first two google hits for it: [1] [2]. Personally, I like the first more, but think the second would be more likely.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#157: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:42:09 PM

[up]That would be me.

Ooh! I like that first one![tup][awesome]

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#158: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:42:40 PM

The first would be awful hard to draw... and I think rectangular shape is more American style.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#159: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:44:18 PM

Is the "satisfied with status" question a simple majority? Do they need a supermajority for "no, I'm not satisfied" to win? The only news I can find on it is at least an hour old and says it's too close to call.

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#160: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:45:31 PM

[up][up]Hey, the first version of the Union Flag (that anyone remembers at any rate) had a circular arrangement (the iconic 13-star flag).

edited 6th Nov '12 7:47:27 PM by Balmung

DirectorCannon Since: Nov, 2011
#161: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:45:58 PM

I'd love the circular star flag.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#162: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:47:06 PM

For some reference, all of the stars-and-stripes flags the USA has used: [1]

edited 6th Nov '12 7:47:12 PM by Balmung

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#163: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:48:05 PM

Wait... I'm confused by the link at the top of this page(likely because I don't speak/read spanish)...

A "No" vote is a vote for a change in status, or against a change in status?

Because if it's against, then that doesn't look like it's going to be a successful vote for statehood. Assuming the numbers are accurate.

edited 6th Nov '12 7:48:24 PM by Swish

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#164: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:57:21 PM

Well I'm no expert in Spanish but it looks like the question is "Do you want to keep the same status" and a simple majority says "no."

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#165: Nov 6th 2012 at 7:59:25 PM

No is against maintaining current status; I think that's what "mantener la condición política" means. Out of the no votes, a majority voted for statehood, which probably means Puerto Rico legislature is now going to submit its constitution to Congress for a final approval.

i-kun Persona! from Dark Hour Since: May, 2010
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#166: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:03:12 PM

[up] and [up][up] This basically.

As for whether we'd be a blue, red or swinger state, I personally don't know, we've been described as mostly Republican on social issues, and Democrat on economic issue. So make of that what you will.

edited 6th Nov '12 8:03:25 PM by i-kun

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#167: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:04:41 PM

So does the whole "change our status" thing rely on a simple majority rather than a supermajority or something?

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#168: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:05:17 PM

It sounds like Puerto Rico might become another swing state.

Puerto Ricans, if you make it to statehood: I am so fucking sorry.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#169: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:07:32 PM

How many representatives will Puerto Rico get? It has a sizable population for small land.

i-kun Persona! from Dark Hour Since: May, 2010
Persona!
#170: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:11:15 PM

So does the whole "change our status" thing rely on a simple majority rather than a supermajority or something?

I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it may rely on a supermajority? :/ I could be wrong, though.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#171: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:12:53 PM

That makes sense. Becoming a state or its own country is kind of a big decision.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#172: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:16:24 PM

[up][up][up]

  • You get 1 representative for every 674,000 people.

  • Puerto Rico has a population of 3,700,000 (estimated)

  • So Puerto Rico would get 5 House Represenatives. Meaning it would have as much power as Iowa in the House of Representatives.

edited 6th Nov '12 8:17:06 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#173: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:16:57 PM

It might drop to 4 after recalculating with the 435 cap factor.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#174: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:18:36 PM

Maybe we could actually tack on a few more reps? I mean, would it kill us is the House had 440 seats instead of 435?

i-kun Persona! from Dark Hour Since: May, 2010
Persona!
#175: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:21:23 PM

[up][up][up][up] Romney did say, however, that he would work alongside our (current) Republican governor to incorporate Puerto Rico as a state should over 50% of the population favor statehood, though he did not mention the 'Yes' or 'No' question. But, this is spineless, flip-flopping Romney we're talking about.

Not sure about Obama, though.

edited 6th Nov '12 8:22:09 PM by i-kun


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