Frozen (Disney film)

Wind? I'm not fond of Anna having powers either but wind sounds terrible for her..

I remember Anna was supposed to have aurora powers or something at one point in development. What exactly are aurora powers? Light?

wind powers will lead to fart jokes mark my words

I actually wonder if the dude is just some new character on the road trip with them? Why are we assuming he's a villain?

For me, this is mainly because of the smug expression, the beard and the fact that he's apparently a major character, but I agree these are not (always) reliable indicators. Anyway I'd better have him as the villain than as Elsa's love interest.

I mean, if he's the only POC in a cast of paper white people... I really hope he's not the villain.

To be honest, I had not noticed and thought the apparent darker skin colour was due to the quality of the scan. It may also be that the character is simply a bit more tanned than the Scandinavian characters, which does not require a very dark skin to achieve. But yeah, otherwise it'd be bad if he was the villain.

Some people seem to think his name is "Matthias" or something.

Probably something we might learn in the official trailer when that comes out and we're kinda due for one. It’s been over 90 days since the Frozen II teaser trailer was released, and last year, it was merely a little more than 90 days between the release dates of the teaser and main trailer for Ralph Breaks the Internet. Of course, depending on what reception is towards Aladdin, they might release the trailer next week to take some of the heat off. (I do think they released the Frozen II teaser out of nowhere back in February because of how bad the reception was for that Genie reveal Aladdin trailer. Dropping a trailer next week would make sense, preferable on Tuesday or Wednesday, since it would allow Aladdin to get some spotlight while also not disrupting Memorial Day weekend.)

Edited by dmcreif on May 23rd 2019 at 12:32:34 PM

According to the rumor mill, we were supposed to get a Frozen 2 trailer last week, but it was delayed by the new Toy Story 4 trailer.

Toy Story 4 happens to have the closer release date. And considering reception towards Aladdin, it makes perfect sense to hold off until Aladdin has been out a few days.

Now I want to get this out of the way before anything, but one thing I hope for in Frozen II is that they don't separate Anna and Elsa, especially if it's for some "magical destiny" reason or something like what Ralph Breaks the Internet did. Thing is, I'm not really a fan of the "follow your heart" moral being done to people who have greater responsibilities elsewhere, and I'm also not a fan in general of stories that rely so heavily on an established relationship only to split them up at the end, be it for emotional drama or a deeper moral or whatever. Yes, I get sometimes people need to leave each other but not always.

Going back on the leaked sticker stuff from merchandise, and the appearance of a potential water spirit, there is such a spirit in Scandinavian folklore (called a “nokk”, “nokken” or “nix”). Historically it was pictured as a mermaid-like creature, but in more modern versions it does appear as a horse. And just like other water horse creatures of mythology, it would lure people - especially women and children - to the water where it would then drown them. The nix would often do this with music. But there are other stories in which they don’t intend to do any harm. The most important thing is that they tend to be omens of...drowning. The spirit would show up, scream at a spot in the water, and then someone would later drown in that spot.

Because Disney tends to take liberties when it comes to depictions of mythology, it’s possible this spirit is going to be more of a guide than an omen or a dangerous entity. It might very well be the thing guiding Elsa to the water in that teaser shot, and coaxing her to run out against the waves. Perhaps it’s trying to show her something about where her parents disappeared, or maybe teaching her how to become more at one with her magic. Or maybe it’s not doing anything, and instead appears once Elsa goes under for a little too long. Or maybe it is a malevolent force, maybe being used as a metaphor for the reckless pursuit of answers or power or something, and it uses Elsa’s connection with her magic as a way to draw her to the ocean and away from her family where she’d be easy pickings. (I've also seen speculation that that bit of Elsa running on the waves, and the other bit from the teaser of Anna scaling a cliff, could be part of a song number, since at least one analysis I've seen points to Anna's mouth moving as if she's singing).

Edited by dmcreif on May 24th 2019 at 10:02:43 AM

Since some sneak previews of Frozen II are to be shown at a film festival in France in about two weeks, it's likely we'll get another trailer around that time.

EDIT: There now seems to be one on Frozen's Spanish Facebook page. It's a short clip of Anna and Elsa coming into frame on that picturesque hilltop, under the text "Sisters by destiny, friends by choice." With the caption saying, "Destiny puts them in the same path. The unbreakable bond was created by them!"

Edited by dmcreif on Jun 1st 2019 at 11:17:30 AM

I rewatched Moana recently and what stood out easily was the background characters. Or more precisely, how much better looking they are compared to Frozen's.

I don't know who designed the extras in Frozen, but they stand out like a sore thumb. They're so weird looking compared to Elsa and the others. Too cartoony/stylistic, maybe?

I attribute that to advancements in animation work. (I see the same thing with the advancements from Frozen to Frozen II)

And for anyone who missed the new little animation that's floating around.

It has nothing to do with the animation itself. It's the stylization that's off-putting.

“Sisters by destiny, friends by choice.”

I’ve seen a lot of people speculating that maybe this means Elsa and Anna aren’t actually sisters by blood. But I have a different interpretation of this.

Something’s going to happen that will try to split them apart.

The Spanish in the new bit of animation posted to the Frozen Latin America Facebook page translates to "Sisters by destiny, friends by choice." They are sisters by destiny because that’s how they were born. They were born as sisters. That is their destiny, always has been and always will be. But just because people are sisters/related doesn’t mean they have to like each other. Anna and Elsa choose to be friends. They choose to love each other, despite all the crap they’ve both been through.

So I bet the main conflict in Frozen II will be challenging that choice. It has always been a given for them. What if something comes up that makes them question it? What if something comes in to drive them away from each other, to break their friendship, to challenge the love they have for one another?

If it is true as some of the leaks are saying, and Elsa finds out what life could have been for her (whether that be showing her what having control of her magic all her life could have been, or what would have happened had she never been born into royal life in Arendelle, we don’t know yet) then that could be the thing that does it. It could entice Elsa to stay where the magic is. It could be tempting for her to stay where she’s not the different one. And Anna wouldn’t want that. She just got her sister back. She doesn’t want Elsa to leave again.

I should get it out there that I really hope they don’t split the sisters up permanently. Especially if it’s because, as some leaks suggest, there’s this group of magic users and Elsa wants to stay because she “found her people” or something. See, that's what they did in Ralph Breaks the Internet. They had a canon leader of a “kingdom” (Sugar Rush) completely shirk all responsibility to join a new game (Slaughter Race) where she “fit in”, and that worked against the message of Wreck-It Ralph being about realizing that sometimes you have an important role to play in life, even if it’s not what you initially wanted, and that there’s power in making that role your own and being true to yourself despite it. And I really don’t want to see them do that again. I’d rather see Elsa remain as Queen of Arendelle, bringing about change and positivity through her position of authority and perhaps even bridging a gap between magic practitioners and her kingdom, rather than run off to join them because “she’s like them”.

"Sisters by destiny, friends by choice" just sounds like it's about how siblings don't necessarily need to be friends. You're not obligated to love someone because they share your blood.

As demonstrated by Hans' brothers.

Speaking of Hans, there's a clear reason why a Hans redemption arc could never be feasible and that's because of the rewrites done to Elsa. Elsa's a protagonist with mental issues. It’s easy and common to give those to a villain. Villains are twisted and they hurt people because they’re not good people. Disney Princesses might not be perfect but they’re damn close to it and their faults are charming and cute and not crippling. Elsa’s issues and her failure to deal with them are crippling.

So many teens and adults have identified with her issues, and seeing them portrayed in a positive and beloved character is so important, because children see that not just scary weirdos have mental issues. Elsa hurts people because of her issues. She doesn’t mean to but she hurts her parents and sister and kingdom and strangers, emotionally and physically. And she’s a good girl, and a Disney Princess. They’re not supposed to hurt people — except oh maybe hurt feelings because they were following their dreams or something saccharine like that.

And yet, Elsa makes a series of bad choices, selfish choices, because she can’t deal with her issues. Just like real people. She’s not a bad person because she makes bad choices stemming from her neuroses. Little kids see someone who’s awesome, with anxiety and depression and they see that she’s more than just her issues, and she’s deserving of love.

So within the Frozen, universe the tragic backstory for Hans pulls even less weight as far as justifying his actions, because here's Elsa, who is arguably the most justified in being a villain (moreso than Hans), and yet she's the kindest and most warm-hearted person in the entire story. So Hans has no excuse. He was just an asshole, a sociopathic trickster who plotted the demise of a foreign nation and almost succeeded in killing its queen and sometimes people like that can't be redeemed. Sometimes, just because a character has a tragic backstory doesn't mean they are justified in their actions. This applies not just to Hans but to other characters who get the Draco in Leather Pants treatment like Kylo Ren.

Last month my town held its annual festival. One of the food stands had a picture of Olaf with the caption "all my friends are snow cones".

I remember looking at the picture and thinking "Well, the yellow snow cones aren't your friends".

Olaf is a cannibal.

Olaf will get a love interest

A new trailer is coming tomorrow via Good Morning America!

Celebrate with a new poster!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 10th 2019 at 9:17:06 AM

I’m really really starting to think about the contrast of Frozen 1 and the upcoming trailers for Frozen 2, specifically Anna and Elsa’s contrast with their previous self. We all know it shows that the sisters are definitely different from the person we knew they were before. However, maybe it’s just me… but I see a pattern I’d like to share.

In Frozen, Elsa was the one with a secret to hide. She’s insecure, reserved and afraid, all out of fear of losing control of her powers. Anna is the one who is optimistic, unyielding, reaches out and stands by her side even through the end.

However, looking at the first Frozen 2 trailer that was released, Elsa, while fighting the ocean, fails but seems confident, at least determined, to try again until she succeeds. Anna, on the other hand, in the posters as pointed out by some, all of it showed an ominous, unsure, burdened look on her face. There's so much uncertainty. The way she steps closer to Elsa, as if protectively. The way she looked when she climbed the cliff, the hesitation before she jumped, the guardedness of her in the end where she’s the one that notices what’s behind her and acts immediately. In the posters too. Elsa is the one who looks determined. Anna, standing behind her, always seemed guarded. It suddenly seems so clear to me that Elsa is exhibiting traits from Anna in Frozen while Anna is exhibiting traits from Elsa in Frozen. Their clothes also. Reversed. Elsa looks more like the adventurer this time around. Anna's wearing black the way Elsa did her coronation dress, in a way that Anna is in distress. Her new crest is another interesting thing, as it has parts of Arendelle’s crocus and some other plant.

Edited by dmcreif on Jun 10th 2019 at 4:51:14 AM

Have you ever heard of a fanfic called "Frozen 2: Queen Elsa's Trial" by PinkLed5?

I think that could be the sort of tone and adventure that the official Frozen 2 is going for.

And regarding Anna and Elsa's characterization in the sequel, I think it was established in one of the books that Anna's memories of her childhood never returned to her, so I think that might play a part in the sequel.

Frozen 2 Official Trailer

I really like that trailer music!