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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#301: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:07:15 PM

These new revelations actually coincide with an idea I had for a possible overarching antagonist. I was thinking about how Moonbeam has alot of these crazy off the wall theories about who is "really" in control of Equestria. While many of these are false even his friends are starting to find that there is a little bit of truth to them.

Over a long period of time they begin to discover that behind a lot of seemingly random crimes is a shadowy organization made of nobles and other influential ponies. Their motivations are not clear but they have shown an interest in ancient artifacts, and research in advanced magic (they may or may not be secretly funding some of these projects your talking about).

They have a lot of intermediaries and shell groups that they hide behind so it is nearly impossible to find any one who is directly connected to the organization. The only pony that seems to be a strange Earth Pony professor who shows up at infrequent intervals and shows deep knowledge, and interest in the force of magic itself.

ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#302: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:11:51 PM

[up] All this is great.

I can't wait till the first fics appear!

Btw, think we could make an impact on the fanbase when we go public with these?

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Drenius Hey, do you know the way to Shell Beach? from Northern Virginia Since: Dec, 2011
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#303: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:20:03 PM

I think we could make a positive impact on the fandom, yes.

Journalism is just a gun. It's only got one bullet in it, but if you aim right, that's all you need.
AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#304: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:30:22 PM

Interesting. Bright Idea could even be in a shared universe, and might even get entangled in the mess by accidentally accepting the wrong job offer.

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ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#305: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:34:54 PM

So all this is our own little 'verse within a 'verse...the troperverse. waii

The PPD, Tealove, Sea Ponies, The Foil! 6, Bright Ideas...

edited 27th Dec '11 6:36:02 PM by ApplelightLimited

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#306: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:36:18 PM

[up][up][up][up]We could but lets not get to ahead of ourselves just yet.

[up][up]That was intentional. I thought it would be interesting to have a lot of innocent ponies doing genuinely good things get entangled in their web.

To elaborate on my idea they are not like an Illuminati organization in the sense that outside of their private enterprises they do not exert a lot of influence on Equestria, despite all of them being of high status. They can't, do to The Royal Pony Sisters.

To also elaborate on the Earth Pony Professor I came up with. . .well I haven't thought to much about him, but I am imagining a ponified Vincent from Silent Hill 3. Generally rather smug, loves to flaunt his knowledge (within reason, he does have his secrets), and generally puts forth an aura that he knows more then the protagonist (may use this fact to manipulate them).

edited 27th Dec '11 6:46:46 PM by Mio

ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#307: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:44:45 PM

Now someboy mentioned the foils having to deal with Trixie?

I think that before Chuckles steps up to the mark...it should be one of each race.

That means BR, either CU or SS, and PI or MB.

The Pegasi pose a problem though...SS is reluctant to start on ponies, and how do you hassle a doctor exactly?

[up] I'm intrigued.

Any names yet?

edited 27th Dec '11 6:48:43 PM by ApplelightLimited

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Badwolfwho She is a brutal war machine from Stardust Road Since: Aug, 2009
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#308: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:22:51 PM

[up] I can't really see either of them accepting Trixie's challenge. I was going to have Check Up make a comment about if a member of the audience falls unconscious he'll show how good of a doctor he is, otherwise he isn't getting involved. Smoke Screen would just prefer to not have anything to do with it. I was going to just double up on unicorns.

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Firstly, we need to finish planning, then we need to actually write something, then it needs positive reception and consistent updates then we can see what sort of effect we'll have. Luckily we have a multitude of people here, some of which must be authors so with multiple authors it should be possible to get more updates.

@ Pagetopper: I'm getting a great X Files vibe off this.

So stories will be of three categories Monster of the Week, Slice of Life and plot advancing stuff.

I don't know anything about Silent Hill, is this Earth Pony more of a Deep Throat (reveals information at his leisure to our heroes to guide them to their next objective) or like the Cigarette Smoking Man (the face of this organisation who our heroes primarily face off against)

On Gems: This reminded me of my theories on Enchantment. Basically almost any material can be enchanted but only gems can have powerful enchantments cast on them and the quality of the gem directly correlates to the possible strength of the Enchantment that can be woven into it. By this logic I'd see enchanted armour having an underlay of enchanted gems that feed their effect into the armour itself.

Also, enchantments require a Glyph to be designed first and applied to the material you want enchanting. Any type of pony can create a Glyph but only a Unicorn can empower it. And finally while a Unicorn is Enchanting if an Earth Pony or Pegasus is present, the enchantment comes out at a higher quality, due to the Unicorn drawing on the other type of Pony's inherent magic.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#309: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:31:16 PM

[up][up]Actually they may not need to get involved, I imagine after she gets done with Big Rig and Pig Iron (or Moonbeam depending on the situation) that Trixie would look for more challengers, point at random ponies in the audience and goading them on. Eventually she would point at Smoke Screen, the crowd starts to cheer him on (I kind of like to think that he is well liked and admired for what he has done for Hoofington)and he gets nervous. But thankfully Check Up finally puts his hoof down (literally) and tells Trixie in no short order to "piss off" and tells the other that they are leaving. Needless to say Trixie is not happy with this and begins to call them cowards for walking away from her challenge. This is what finally gets Chuckles to step up and accept Trixie's challenge.

[up]He's a bit of both but primarily the latter. There is a sense that he has interest and aspirations beyond that of the organization he works for and some of his actions may reflect this.

edited 27th Dec '11 7:39:56 PM by Mio

ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#310: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:32:41 PM

[up][up] Ah, that makes sense. Moonbeam seems like the best choice then. Maybe he demonstrates his gadgets or something, and she turns it on him?

There was a great joke in a show called Father Ted were they had to spy on the milkman.

The second priest is using a listening device complete with headphones from the back seat of the car, and he tells the first priest that he is turning it up fully to hear inside the house they are spying on...just at that moment, a truck roars past. He's rendered unconsious by the noise. [lol]

Maybe something similar could happen to Moonbeam?

[up] Or that. That is good.

edited 27th Dec '11 7:33:37 PM by ApplelightLimited

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#311: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:33:25 PM

So....can we start with a clear timeline? Like.... event A starts things off leading to event B which leads to event C etc.

I was hoping to maybe writer a little something, possibly a prolog. >.>

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#312: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:35:06 PM

[up]The problem with that is that it means if different authors want to do different things with the characters, it puts a lot of limits on them if everything is set in stone. I'd actually kinda prefer just setting up the relationships between the foils and their setting, and leaving past events vague. Unless you're referring to a specific work idea, in which case nevermind.

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#313: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:37:05 PM

I'd keep it freeform ut leave room for interconnectivity.

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ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#314: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:41:37 PM

I think we should all work to establish the groups binding moment (their Nightmare Moon, as it were)...then, from then on, make of them what you will. Though run your story past here and the fanfic thread to make it official.

Chuckles dying in a juggling accident probably shouldn't be canon for example. wink[lol]

edited 27th Dec '11 7:42:24 PM by ApplelightLimited

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Badwolfwho She is a brutal war machine from Stardust Road Since: Aug, 2009
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#315: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:43:07 PM

Just leave it like the show is and outside of plot progressing stories make it Anachronic.

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ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#316: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:46:18 PM

[up] Eeeyup.

Btw, since he can't talk, how do we get Chuckles to interact with the rest and be 'a pony', and not just be annoying?

He should still be the 'funny' who has the others in stiches.

Like, standing behind the Mayor and copying his movements with a Party Of One style derped out look when he's giving off to the group...and the others can't keep a straight face.

But what else is there too to him?

Edit: I know the answer. This is just to encourage a group brain storming session. I plan to put all six through it.

edited 27th Dec '11 7:56:25 PM by ApplelightLimited

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AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#317: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:57:26 PM

It would be hard to keep Bri's story anachronic because there is a clear progression of her tech and skill.

edited 27th Dec '11 7:57:34 PM by AceOfScarabs

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ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#318: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:58:58 PM

[up] Bri of course should have her own 'life' as it were...just feel free to have her drop on the others once or twice or so. smile

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#319: Dec 27th 2011 at 7:59:05 PM

[up][up][up]I generally invision him to be much less manic then Pinkie, so the real problem for him would be getting across what he is trying tell you with just pantomime and hoof gestures.

You could make this a running gag in that most of his "conversations" with the others usually devolve into games of charades. After a while though his friends should be able to pick up on his body language pretty easily (some more then others).

edited 27th Dec '11 7:59:54 PM by Mio

ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#320: Dec 27th 2011 at 8:02:53 PM

[up] Brilliant. smile

Now I had this thought of Moonbeam franically explaining his latest 'insight' to Chuckles...and he's staring at him with the same perplexed look all the way through...but it's like they having a two way conversation:

It's not insane Chuckles, it's a fact!.....no I didn't stay up all night!.....oh shut up!

Btw, what catagory does Chuck's powers fall under? I don't think he could be called a Badass Normal...

edited 27th Dec '11 8:07:59 PM by ApplelightLimited

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Badwolfwho She is a brutal war machine from Stardust Road Since: Aug, 2009
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#321: Dec 27th 2011 at 8:09:46 PM

[up] He definitely falls under Abnormal. Big Rig would be Normal.

Thoughts on my Enchantment ideas?

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ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#322: Dec 27th 2011 at 8:11:03 PM

[up] It's pretty solid I think. Unicorns seem to have an affiniaty with gems afterall...

Maybe charged gems are like...batteries?

edited 27th Dec '11 8:11:35 PM by ApplelightLimited

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#323: Dec 27th 2011 at 8:15:46 PM

I'd like to reiterate my idea that since the foils are more experienced with hostile magic and stuff they'll be able to beat Trixie at her own game, or overcome it through their skills? Like Trixie could appear to mess them up at first, then they could overcome it. Like Pig Iron could get pinned down by his statue, but since he created it he could do something with a specific part that could cause it to fall apart and free himself, or Big Rig could get overwhelmed by the rock at first, then buck it off. I agree with not retreading "Boast Busters", it'd be too repetitive for Trixie to succeed in her "Anything You Can Do" spiel again.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#324: Dec 27th 2011 at 8:17:15 PM

[up][up][up][up]If I had to rate the others on a scale of how well they understand Chuckles it would probably be something like this. . .

1.Moonbeam

2.Smoke Screen

3.Big Rig

4.Pig Iron

5.Check Up

[up]That could work as well, on the other hoof it may make the Other Six come across some what Sueish in the eyes of some readers.

[down]It is much funnier if it is left unexplained.

edited 27th Dec '11 8:21:03 PM by Mio

ApplelightLimited Ahoy hoy! from In the skies above. Since: Oct, 2011
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#325: Dec 27th 2011 at 8:19:58 PM

[up] Ah, so the nut job MB gets him the most, and the grouchy Doctor gets him the least? Makes total sense. [lol]

Also, there's the great mystery of how a mute taught a parrot to talk...I have an explaination...but it's contraversial...maybe it should just be unexplained?

It should be lampshaded though.

[up][up] Plus the thought of Moonbeam being zapped by his own gadgets...and Pig Iron being attacked by his own creation is too funny to pass up.

edited 27th Dec '11 8:25:08 PM by ApplelightLimited

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