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HiddenFacedMatt Avatars may be subject to change without notice. Since: Jul, 2011
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#101: Jan 9th 2012 at 10:37:59 AM

Maybe if we get rid of Nightmare fuel, people will start making more specific horror and scary tropes rather than just lumping everything into one big pile.
That would be interesting to see.

In any case, we have a variety of options now. Should we go with a crowner to decide which of them to pick?

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#102: Jan 11th 2012 at 6:23:18 PM

So are we gonna get rid of this non-trope or what?

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#103: Jan 11th 2012 at 6:36:05 PM

We would definitely need at the very least a crowner first. You can't just get rid of such a big part of the site just like that.

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#104: Jan 11th 2012 at 6:54:07 PM

I know that. I meant, are we going to start movement on this, or what?

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#105: Jan 12th 2012 at 12:46:00 PM

Should I holler for a single prop on whether or not to cut this, or should we make a crowner with all possible courses of action?

I personally think we should decide on whether or not this belongs here in the first place before we decide on how to fix it.

edited 12th Jan '12 12:46:19 PM by DrStarky

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#106: Jan 12th 2012 at 3:33:27 PM

Single prop for cut. If enough people want to keep, then those folks can figure out what to do with that abortion while I work on things I care about.

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#107: Jan 12th 2012 at 3:45:02 PM

Agree, do a cut crowner first.

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#108: Jan 12th 2012 at 4:18:16 PM

Alrighty. Hollering for a single prop.

I believe we should move Nightmare Fuel off-site instead of trying to fix it for the following reasons.

  • Although we document audience reactions as a secondary purpose, this reaction is so inherently personal that it may as well be (and often devoles into) Troper Tales, which we agreed we don't want any more.
  • For something that has so little value to wiki, it generates a lot of Sinkholes We don't need or want people telIng what personally scares them in main.
  • There is no reason it cannot happily exist off-site. Those who enjoy it can do so somewhere else.

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#109: Jan 12th 2012 at 4:24:51 PM

I've hooked a "remove" crowner. Whether this means it will be moved off-site in the event of a cut can be determined later.

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#110: Jan 12th 2012 at 4:38:13 PM

The problem is, off-site wikis are generally Mediawiki, which means we have to change the formatting...

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#111: Jan 12th 2012 at 6:37:48 PM

The problem is, off-site wikis are generally Mediawiki, which means we have to change the formatting...
We can cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

EDITED IN: Also, should we add pros and cons to the crowner?

edited 12th Jan '12 6:39:41 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

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#112: Jan 13th 2012 at 6:25:15 AM

Go for it.

Pros would be:

  • Causes problems despite having little relevance to our mission.
  • Devolves into Natter, This Troper, and generally bad formatting.
  • It's removal may encourage people to look for actual horror tropes instead labeling everything scary Nightmare Fuel.

Cons would be:

  • It hasn't been determined whether it would be moved on a different wiki afterwards.

How hard would it be to take this stuff off-site anyway?

edited 13th Jan '12 7:04:48 AM by DrStarky

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#113: Jan 13th 2012 at 8:34:46 AM

[up] Pros and cons mentioned.

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#114: Jan 13th 2012 at 3:21:06 PM

Just to be clear before we vote; this is only applying to Accidental Nightmare Fuel and not the HONF one?

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#115: Jan 13th 2012 at 8:33:23 PM

[up] That's what the crowner says.

Maybe once this crowner has resolved we can do a new one for High Octane Nightmare Fuel in its own thread.

edited 13th Jan '12 8:33:35 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#116: Jan 15th 2012 at 7:50:04 PM

Okay, so I guess we're keeping this? I'm ready to move on, I don't know about anybody else.

Oh, so I took another look at the page today and I have to say that the image is fantastic.

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#117: Jan 15th 2012 at 7:56:26 PM

Might be an idea to wait for more votes, but it looks like we are keeping this.

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#118: Jan 16th 2012 at 12:52:15 AM

And yet if you'd asked the fans to defend their votes, they wouldn't have been able to. For all we know, they want to keep the page for Bile Fascination.

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#119: Jan 16th 2012 at 2:50:43 AM

And yet if you'd asked the fans to defend their votes, they wouldn't have been able to. For all we know, they want to keep the page for Bile Fascination.

Now that's not exactly fair, it sounds more like you're being a sore loser here (I voted to cut this and expand HONF btw). Simply put they voted to keep it, what their reasons for are irrelevant, we just deal with what we've been given.

So, what are our options for ANF?

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#120: Jan 16th 2012 at 4:23:03 AM

[up][up]As much as I agree with your sentiment, what Shaoken said is true. Consensus so far is to keep this shit. As much as I want to cut it, I'll accept whatever the majority rules for this one.

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#121: Jan 16th 2012 at 4:25:12 AM

I agree, we have to keep it. Until we amend the by-laws for a crowner appeals system grin.

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#122: Jan 16th 2012 at 8:22:00 AM

How about we first wait for a few more arguments from the people voting against cutting it?

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#123: Jan 16th 2012 at 9:34:32 AM

Accidental Nightmare Fuel serves no purpose beyond writing about how something scared you as a kid. I think it may be a good idea to throw Accidental Nightmare Fuel into the Troper Tales wiki, since that's what it really is.

Then do the same to High Octane Nightmare Fuel. If that one were kept while Accidental is gone, edit wars would arise over whether or not something was deliberately intended to be scary.

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#124: Jan 16th 2012 at 2:24:42 PM

[up][up]Again, the crowner rejects that idea. ANF stays, which means we have to honestly do what we can to make it work (and for the record, I voted for cutting it).

So for starters that means cleaning it up to remove deliberately scary examples (which I've done for Mortal Kombat 9 and Video Games) and find some way of cleaning up the natter.

Here's some ideas;

  • Cut examples, keep the description.
  • Lock it like the CM page is going to and make all new entries get vetted through the forums before being added (that should keep the "accidental" part in check, since a few moments intended to be scary keep winding up on the pages)
  • Limit it to the best examples possible as a demonstration of the trope.

dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#125: Jan 16th 2012 at 2:38:42 PM

You really should wait until the thread comes to a decision on what to do before taking major action on any pages.

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12th Jan '12 4:22:56 PM

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Vote up for yes, down for no.

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