@Hidden Faced Matt. I'm pretty sure, no, it didn't.
You forget that pretty much everything you've been proposing to fix it and keep the tropes, has actually been done before. The misuse is attached to the name, from what I can tell, and as long as 'Nightmare Fuel' remains in the name, the misuse will continue. Renaming away from Nightmare Fuel might give things a new start, though personally I don't think this is worth saving.
edited 3rd Jan '12 11:15:57 PM by NoirGrimoir
SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)Cut it. Most of the arguments I've seen in this thread and others amount to "But I like it!" Hey, I like being nude outside, but society still frowns on it, and I'd still get fined for it.
This trope has always been a mess despite repeated and significant attempts to fix it. I don't see us being able to change that. Cut it.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.Well I was playing Dragon Quest VI last night and a person flat out used "Nightmare Fuel" by name to mean High Octane Nightmare Fuel as he was freaked out by a Anamorphic Dino with an axe. [1]
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@Hidden Faced Matt.
No it didn't... its just where the accidental mostly occurs with puppets and other things coming out Off-Model and horrifying. Like the page image.
edited 4th Jan '12 5:50:56 AM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!HONF arguably might not be worth saving either, but doesn't have all of ANF's problems, so I figure discussion of what to do with HONF should be saved for when we're done with ANF.
"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon StewartFrom the other thread:
Accidental Nightmare Fuel: Rename to just plain old Nightmare Fuel and just leave the definition since it's a Trope Of Legend. No examples.
Move all examples to High Octane Nightmare Fuel, rename that to Crowning Moment Of Scary.
DONE.
Why aren't we doing this, or even considering it?
edited 4th Jan '12 8:49:09 AM by Wheezy
Novel progress: The Adroan, 110k; Yume no Hime, 98k; The Pigeon Witch, on pause at 40k.Because HONF isn't a trope and changing the name back to Nightmare Fuel is pointless, since it being a problem was why it was changed in the first place. I think we should have a crowner for what to do about this.
edited 4th Jan '12 2:01:40 PM by NoirGrimoir
SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)Seconding request for a crowner. There are now a lot of options to consider.
"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon StewartBump...
"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon StewartIf you want the mods to add crowner you'll have to Holler at them, silly.
But I don't know if it would be wise for a crowner to be added after only four pages of disscussion for something big like this.
But I support moving it off-site. It really dosen't have any thing to do with our site's mission and fixing it just seems like more trouble than it's worth.
edited 6th Jan '12 12:40:58 PM by DrStarky
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I tend to be a little hesitant to holler at the mods for stuff like that, but now that you mention it I may as well.
Any registered user can create a crowner (tho there is some etiquette for that, which varies by crowner type). It's hooking it to the thread that you need mod powers for.
edited 7th Jan '12 8:35:59 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.Basically leave as is, rename, cut, move to Just for Fun, and merge are on the table for both, separately. Perhaps we should have a crowner for each one separately otherwise we are going to have way too many options, if we have a different entry for each possible combination.
edited 8th Jan '12 1:49:34 AM by NoirGrimoir
SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)I don't know, some people are saying merge the two Nightmare fuel options. Which I think is dumb because there's a reason they were split to begin with, but whatever. Personally I think if you want to keep the pages, Accidental Nightmare Fuel has to be renamed and maybe red-linked so it's disconnected from old misuse, and High Octane Nightmare Fuel has to either be turned into a 'Crowning moment of scary' thing or Just for Fun or otherwise moved to Sugar Wiki.
edited 8th Jan '12 5:17:07 AM by NoirGrimoir
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I want Nightmare Fuel to stay as just an example-less definition page since it's been here so long. Otherwise, yes. Move all the examples on Nightmare Fuel and HONF to Scary Moments.
edited 8th Jan '12 11:52:34 PM by MegaJ
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I proposed that
in March, but that thread somehow turned into a rename discussion for Nightmare Fuel, which ended in the custom titling we have today but no change for HONF...
No. Keep the examples on their own page, or delete them. A section for gushing about effective horror does not need examples critiquing non-horror for scaring viewers.
edited 8th Jan '12 11:55:17 PM by Routerie
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That's kind of redundant, since scariness is subjective by its very nature.
Why do we even have this? Things that are scary is People Sit On Chairs. Ankle Drag is a trope. Scary Things isn't.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
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One would assume that kids' shows are rarely intended to give kids nightmares. Hence, any nightmare-fueling instances in non-horror media targeted for kids are accidental or unintentional.
I know, I don't like it either. That's why we've had so much trouble with it, beyond the basic subjectivity.
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