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What to do about (New crowner swapped in 8/2/12): Nightmare Fuel

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#676: Feb 8th 2012 at 8:36:10 PM

[up] & [up][up]: D'aww. :')

A Special Efforts thread sounds good. That could be where to take the issue of whether or not to edit tropers' gut-wrenched reactions to some of this stuff. To delete, or not to delete...

Do not obey in advance.
DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#677: Feb 8th 2012 at 8:44:29 PM

Could a Wiki Headlines be made to advertise the the cleanup?

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#678: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:15:40 PM

Well at the moment it looks like changing the Nightmare Fuel namespace to Accidental Nightmare Fuel is going to be the winner, with a 3:1 upswing. I think making a special efforts thread would be a good idea now, since if we can get enough people involved we can clean up all the bad examples AND keep the pages clean if everyone puts a few on their watchlist.

EDIT: I would like to ask any mod that comes by to delete Superman: Birthright, since it A) has only one example, which only takes up one and a half lines, and B) it's about a visual representation of superman being discected, which prompts Clark and Lois to leave the room. Clearly nothing accidental about it being horrifying.

edited 8th Feb '12 9:18:31 PM by Shaoken

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#679: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:22:06 PM

[up]Throw it on the Cut List.

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#681: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:29:38 PM

Holy crap, you guys, The NightmareFuel.Disney page is terrible. So many "Am I The Only One Who Was'' edits... I'm practically in a Heroic BSoD about this one, because I don't know how to fix it.

edited 8th Feb '12 9:31:09 PM by BearyScary

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Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
moocow1452 Since: Jan, 2001
#683: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:43:07 PM

Remember, Nightmare Fuel is by nature something we feel like sharing with others, since Caveman Ug's rustling in the woods that he heard is kinda like the sound that Caveman Thug's thing that wanted to eat him made, so we should probably have some way to vent Natter when it comes up again.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#684: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:45:23 PM

Doesn't Fast Eddie have a switch he can flip to rename an entire namespace all at once, like with It Just Bugs Me -> Headscratchers?

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#685: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:46:30 PM

[up][up]Then it becomes a forum thread masked as article. We can't surrender to Thread Mode.

edited 8th Feb '12 9:46:38 PM by DrStarky

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Artemis92 Cogito Gratia Cogitan from contemplation Since: Dec, 2009
Cogito Gratia Cogitan
#686: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:48:30 PM

*is thumped by the Codfish in a Derby Hat for mentioning that thing that we used to have that allowed for first-person pronouns

EDIT: ...in a manner that is not entirely condemning of it*

edited 8th Feb '12 9:53:09 PM by Artemis92

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#687: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:50:55 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Sweet.

[up][up]Exactly. Too much of this stuff reads like a second Troper Tales.

edited 8th Feb '12 9:51:51 PM by BearyScary

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#688: Feb 8th 2012 at 9:55:56 PM

I'd like to request that That Guy With The Glasses , Atop the Fourth Wall , Cinema Snob and That Dude With The Suede be merged into one article, because with the exception of Atop the Fourth Wall none of them have enough examples to justify a subpage by themselves, but all would fit under the first one's title.

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#689: Feb 8th 2012 at 10:12:06 PM

Good work so far, guys. Also, as a forum formatting thing, don't use more than three [up]'s. It get's confusing. Just say @tropername and a post number if necessary.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
we must dissent (it/they)
#690: Feb 8th 2012 at 10:31:43 PM

I've gone through Disney, somewhat leniently and with benefit of the doubt. I've cropped everything obviously intended to be scary as well as anything that lacked enough detail for me to tell.

Many of the examples that remain are ones that I'm not familiar with so I have no idea how it's played in context, so someone else should probably check it as well.

edited 8th Feb '12 10:36:19 PM by Noaqiyeum

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Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#691: Feb 8th 2012 at 10:34:52 PM

I strongly doubt that those voting for the crowner's leading option realize the state of the ANF namespace. They probably think we now have a large namespace containing ANF examples. We don't. We have a large namespace containing a few ANF examples, a lot of HONF examples and tons of content we'll delete when we clean the pages.

Again, I have't found a single work with enough examples to justify a namespace. No, not even Fantasia - nearly all the examples cover intentional scary items. Maybe something like Disney, which I assume covers dozens of works, but we can have Accidental Nightmare Fuel / Disney etc without a wiki-wide namespace.

Artemis92 Cogito Gratia Cogitan from contemplation Since: Dec, 2009
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#692: Feb 8th 2012 at 10:57:01 PM

Betcha a dollar that the option to move Accidental Nightmare Fuel to YMMV is only at the bottom 'cause it starts started with the word "kill." Basic headology, there. Also, what happened with Troper Tales is probably sticking in some people's heads like 9/11.

(Bold text thumped until I figure out what I should be shouting.)

edited 8th Feb '12 11:01:03 PM by Artemis92

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moocow1452 Since: Jan, 2001
#693: Feb 8th 2012 at 11:54:53 PM

I didn't say we encourage it, but either natter maintenance would have to become a regular thing, or we should find some other outlet. Could we have a Nightmare Fuel forum under Just for Fun, and have a natter push button as opposed to natter chop?

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#694: Feb 9th 2012 at 6:53:50 AM

Personally, I think one namespaced subpage per work is the better option. Sure, it's more work now, but it makes the pages cleaner and we don't have an Accidental Nightmare Fuel page with only one or two examples on it. Plus, it makes curating them much easier.

I am baffled that people actually are voting to keep the namespaces as-is. Really people? The only option with no pros? Thank goodness it's in the red, but I'm still disappointed it has any votes. It's a textbook example of a knee-jerk reaction to reject any change.

edited 9th Feb '12 6:55:57 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Artemis92 Cogito Gratia Cogitan from contemplation Since: Dec, 2009
Cogito Gratia Cogitan
#695: Feb 9th 2012 at 7:49:05 AM

Whaaat? I didn't even notice that option. I thought the TSR was about change. There wouldn't be a crowner if we hadn't decided that not changing was a bad idea.

Ponders too much; thinks too little. Currently goes by Knowlessman.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#696: Feb 9th 2012 at 9:40:27 AM

If people are looking for work to do while waiting on this crowner, we do still need the index/disambig page and Nightmare Fuel moved to Accidental Nightmare Fuel.

I'm not sure what should go on a disambig/index other than links to the pages. A definition of the fanspeak term? Someone who wanted this option, could you maybe sandbox what you were thinking?

EDIT: Wait. Someone moved it already, but left the full page on Nightmare Fuel. Erk. I'm putting up a skeleton disambig for now.

EDIT EDIT: And done. Someone want to look at Nightmare Fuel and fix it the way you guys wanted it? Also, I put in a request to kill the custom titling, hopefully that happens soon. Need to request a YMMV banner for Accidental Nightmare Fuel while I'm at it.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: And moved the subpages. Whew. Okay, I think that does it for the move.

edited 9th Feb '12 10:43:09 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#697: Feb 10th 2012 at 11:44:26 AM

Sorry to double post, but does anyone know which mods are responsible for the customize title thing? I tried to get Nightmare Fuel's custom title removed, but it seems to have been rejected. It's possible that whomever did it doesn't know what's going on with this page, and, unlike the cutlist, there's no way to directly explain with the submission.

edited 10th Feb '12 11:44:52 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#698: Feb 10th 2012 at 11:53:30 AM

All moderators, I think. Maybe no one came to your request already. Otherwise, there is this thread about bad Custom titles

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#699: Feb 10th 2012 at 11:55:50 AM

The bad custom title thread is what's in charge of it. It's more an Eddie thing. We don't really have a good way to clear them out.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#700: Feb 10th 2012 at 12:02:43 PM

Aha, thank you.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

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