Late response, but in Rey's defense one of her key character traits is that she's an Ascended Fangirl. It's not that hard to believe that she followed the story of the OT.
On the flip side, I’ll totally agree with the ST being far too reliant on Diabolus ex Machina, and Luke’s incident with Kylo is a great example.
The thing that bugs me isn’t that Luke is somehow out of character, because as noted he isn’t. It’s that while the first time he nearly did he wrong thing but was strong enough to stop himself, his strength is what saved the galaxy, the second time his strength and wisdom - demonstrably more than he had before - doesn’t matter because that split second already doomed the galaxy anyway.
It’s mean spirited in a way this series doesn’t usually get. But then, so is a lot of what happened in ST’s backstory. Or even its present, really.
edited 3rd Apr '18 10:33:24 AM by KnownUnknown
Less than a week before his fall to the dark side, Anakin was insisting on going back to help “expendable” clone troopers being overwhelmed in battle. And his fall was motivated by trying to save someone from death. He had a strong moral fiber but poor sense of pragmatism.
edited 3rd Apr '18 11:15:31 AM by Tuckerscreator
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Right, so we've established that years of discipline won't be enough to completely shield you from temptation when the time comes - what matters is the circumstances, and what kind of person you are in your heart.
And Luke has already proved himself to be the kind of person who would momentarily consider striking someone down to protect the people he cares about when he's in a heightened emotional state.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Luke should not have been in a heightened emotional state. He had suspicions about Ben, so he should have been prepared bad things, if maybe not as much as he saw. That is miles different from being in the midst of combat. There are physiological changes induced when you are fighting for your life for at least several minutes, especially fight-or-flight reaction, that he would not have been undergoing when he was looking over Ben.
Also, Anakin's shown throughout the PT that he simply has no self-control whereas Luke, with significantly less experience as a Jedi had more.
But again, I wouldn't have this massive aversion to Luke being derailed if they did something with it. A single moment of weakness (albeit one that infuriatingly destroys everything he accomplished in the OT but whatever) is a hard sell but they screwed the pooch. They did nothing with it - and they missed a fantastic chance to make Rey a Contrasting Sequel Protagonist while they were at it.
edited 3rd Apr '18 12:28:24 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"![]()
Well, he was in one, and he wasn't remotely prepared. This was his nephew we're talking about - someone he loved and had known since birth. He probably just thought young Ben was going through a rough patch that he could use his wisdom to guide him out of. He wasn't prepared for "no, he's going to be Hitler."
I don't know what they'd have to do to have you consider it "doing something with it," though, considering that they made it effectively the impetus for both Kylo Ren's fall and Luke's self-imposed exile, as well as the center of many of the film's themes about uncertainty, letting go of the past, and the fallibility of the self.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."So the film's most divisive elements are the ones Rain Johnson is most proud of.
Okay...he's allowed to have his opinions but at what point does it go from defiance to arrogance? He's under the impression that the film's critics are only a Vocal Minority.
The numbers don't lie. The RT approval rating is down to 47%.
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That's borderline arrogant ignorance you know...and you're forgetting about IMDB, Metacritic, Cinema Scope and other sites as well.
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That's not true, Rotten Tomatoes shows aggregate scores from both professional critics and users. The critic score for TLJ is 91% whereas the audience score is 47%. But the user score isn't automatically the most accurate metric of quality given all the ways it can be skewed.
edited 3rd Apr '18 8:30:46 PM by TommyFresh
So we're talking audience scores, right? Well in any case, regardless of what you think, I found it amusing that someone tried to use Black Panther's 79% audience score on RT as a justification for TLJ's low score on the YMMV page... never mind the fact that Black Panther's RT score is still 32% higher than TLJ's assuming both were hit by the trolls.
And quite frankly, the fact that news media bring that little reception trivia up time and time again is truthfully only convincing me that there is a legitimate point made by the negative critics and that many folks are afraid to see what is supposed to be a critically acclaimed movie of a long running franchise end up Deader Than Disco.

Yep. From experience, people don’t “overcome” temptations so much as they learn how to deal with them or keep them safely suppressed. With practice they diminish but it’s never “one moment marks never ever forever now.”
edited 3rd Apr '18 10:27:29 AM by Tuckerscreator