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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#126: Feb 21st 2012 at 10:20:04 PM

@Bat Pencil: No. That would not only have been a Shocking Swerve, but it would have left us with another villain to deal with (since obviously our hypothetical NotPalpatine!Sidious can't be around during the time of the OT), and, given the ways Dooku, Grievous, and Boba were dealt with that we've been discussing, it would've probably been pretty anticlimactic.

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#127: Feb 21st 2012 at 10:34:19 PM

Does anyone else think it would have been kinda interesting if in ROTS they revealed that Palpatine and Sidious actually are two different people?

Could have been a twist on Luke, I Am Your Father proportions.

It was only not-a-twist because material outside the stories spoiled it. A few years ago, a friend and I introduced a guy from the United Arab Emirates to Star Wars (he'd heard a little about them, but never actually seen them before) by watching all six movies in the order they were released, and this guy was truly surprised by the revelation that Palpatine was actually Sidious.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#128: Feb 21st 2012 at 10:48:03 PM

While we're on the subject, an interesting bit of trivia: according to supplementary materials, Mace Windu's guess for who Sidious was? Mas Amedda.

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#129: Feb 21st 2012 at 10:49:06 PM

Well, Mace was close...

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#130: Feb 21st 2012 at 11:18:13 PM

I think it was specifically because they were under the assumption that Sidious was manipulating the senate from behind the scenes, thinking it was a politician in a place of influence but with little actual power. They ruled out Palpatine because they thought Palpatine was Sidious' target.

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#131: Feb 21st 2012 at 11:18:27 PM

Palpatine never flashed Mace this smile. It would have been obvious, then.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132: Feb 22nd 2012 at 9:39:26 AM

One thing's for sure, it certainly looked like Palpatine had tons of fun manipulating everyone around him - mostly because it looked like Ian Mc Diarmid was having tons of fun playing Palpatine manipulating everyone around him.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#133: Feb 22nd 2012 at 9:48:17 AM

[up] McDiarmid and Lee seemed to really get into their characters. Originally, for instance, Dooku had Famous Last Words where he begged Palpatine for his life, but Lee insisted this was out of character and Lucas ultimately agreed with him.

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#134: Feb 22nd 2012 at 3:10:40 PM

Ian McDiarmid definatley had a lot of fun in this series. It really shines through in the OT as well and I think that helped the character stand out so much and for so long despite only being in, what, three scenes originally? The arrival on the Death Star, telling Vader to take the fleet to the far side of Endor and the final duel.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#135: Feb 22nd 2012 at 3:30:45 PM

"Everything is proceeding as I have forseen." (Amused evil smirk).

Mc Diarmid killed the smirk after that line. That smirk and that line are practically a Character Establishing Moment for me.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#136: Feb 22nd 2012 at 3:51:53 PM

The Jedi ruled out Palpatine because he already had so much power,they figured why didn't he reveal himself already?

Yeah I remember Darth Tyranus' Last Words,they made it into the novelization,fairly pathetic.

edited 22nd Feb '12 3:59:55 PM by terlwyth

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#137: Feb 22nd 2012 at 4:19:33 PM

Interestingly enough, Lucas originally intended Palpatine to be an Anti-Climax Boss, presumably to make him more like a Real Life dictator (who for all their brutality and charismatic sociopathy are rarely very imposing people). That... might've been interesting, but I for one think that the Magnificent Bastard that we got is in every way the better character. An intriguing fact is that this detail was change so late in the universe's concept that it made it into the ANH novelization.

edited 22nd Feb '12 4:20:08 PM by HamburgerTime

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#138: Feb 24th 2012 at 3:08:10 AM

Love this scene. The Imperial March is of course badass, the introduction of the Executor is badass and Darth Vader is all badass. Evil has never been so badass.

And the way Vader just swings his face into General Veers is honestly pretty funny when you really look at it.

edited 24th Feb '12 3:10:36 AM by TheBatPencil

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139: Feb 24th 2012 at 5:57:55 AM

It's even funnier given that Veers doesn't flinch at all. I would have stepped back at least, who knows what the penalty for accidentally bumping heads with Vader is.

pyr0h1tman8 What'd you just say about my hair?! from The Land Down Under Since: Jul, 2010
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#140: Feb 24th 2012 at 6:02:58 AM

So in the EU, I've noticed that Jedi seem to wildly swing from being unstoppable death gods to random joes anyone can take out. Has anyone got any thoughts on this?

edited 24th Feb '12 6:03:12 AM by pyr0h1tman8

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#141: Feb 24th 2012 at 7:08:10 AM

[up]Was it ever the same jedi that ended up in both situations? If not then I'd just chock it up to different skill levels...

On the other hand, sometimes Jedi just get hosed, I guess. Could you give examples?

I remember reading a story about Obi-Wan (it involved him helping a leader of the rebellion, I think it was near the beginning of the Rebel Alliances' formation; he also learned that Anakin was still alive in the story) where halfway through the story, he was completely at the mercy of Boba Fett (who, if I recall correctly, wasn't much older than maybe 15 or 16 in the story). I don't remember how he escaped...

edited 24th Feb '12 7:08:45 AM by NULLcHiLD27

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#142: Feb 24th 2012 at 8:32:22 AM

In universe explanation or reality? Because the reality is what Jedi are capable of is never terribly well defined. They have powers, or the lack of them, as the plot demands.

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#143: Feb 24th 2012 at 8:52:35 AM

Well, one example I can clearly remember is KOTOR II, where one one hand we have someone who eats planets, and on the other, apparently killing Jedi is "easy" (According to Atton and HK-47).

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#144: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:00:36 AM

[up]I think you could chalk it up to difference in skill and ability then, since those are kinda two unrelated examples (even though they both come from the same source).

pyr0h1tman8 What'd you just say about my hair?! from The Land Down Under Since: Jul, 2010
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#145: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:06:17 AM

I guess. Another example would be Star Wars Clone Wars compared to the movies and pretty much everything else.

edited 24th Feb '12 9:06:41 AM by pyr0h1tman8

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#146: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:42:44 AM

Clone Wars runs entirely on Rule of Cool. A single Jedi can wipe out countless bad guys who aren't Dirge, Asajj Ventress, or Grievous. Same goes for the main bad guys, who regularly take out the clones like they were toys until a Jedi comes along.

pyr0h1tman8 What'd you just say about my hair?! from The Land Down Under Since: Jul, 2010
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#147: Feb 24th 2012 at 10:03:08 AM

Unless the clones are ARC troopers. ARC troopers are honorary Jedi. tongue

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#148: Feb 24th 2012 at 11:08:33 AM

Not all Jedi are warriors like the main characters, quite a few are librarians, scholars, diplomats, etc. The average one is probably handy with a lightsaber but it has been stated that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were one of the most dangerous Master/Padawan duos in the Order, which is what really established Darth Mauls' legacy.

The Jedi Massacre at Geonosis wasn't just Conservation of Ninjutsu, it's that not all of them are at the same level. Even in the movie canon, if all the Jedi were Mace Windu level awesome the battle probably would have gone differently.

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#149: Feb 25th 2012 at 8:30:10 AM

Apparently, that Clone Wars CGI series' (which I haven't been following) will bring Darth Maul back, courtesy of his brother, Savage Oppress (because Hitler McBabyKiller was too subtle).

edited 25th Feb '12 8:31:23 AM by ThatOneGuyNamedX

syvaris Since: Dec, 2009
#150: Feb 25th 2012 at 10:30:00 AM

[up]Are Colonel Punishment, Major Slaughter, and Sergeant Suffering going to show up as well?

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