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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#7926: Jan 9th 2016 at 10:15:34 PM

[up] Well, it worked for Ultimate Marvel.

For a while.

Before it imploded under the weight of its own suckiness last year.

...maybe not the best metaphor, yeah.

edited 9th Jan '16 10:15:41 PM by HamburgerTime

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#7927: Jan 9th 2016 at 10:25:32 PM

The thing is, though, that comic books and multiverses go hand in hand.

You can have a universe on which all the characters are fish, and that's just as valid as comics where everyone is not a fish which is the mainstream continuity.

I don't know if multiverses would work in Star Wars though.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#7928: Jan 9th 2016 at 10:34:07 PM

a lot of franchises over the years outside of comics have had multiverses, though.

if necessary, the book could come with some kind of disclaimer saying it takes place in an alternate continuity, and that could be part of the marketing anyways.

i understand the concern that it might be a little confusing for newer readers, but the concept of multiple universes isn't that hard to grasp.

edited 9th Jan '16 10:34:59 PM by wehrmacht

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#7929: Jan 9th 2016 at 10:36:28 PM

Multiverses, the Dark Side they lead to, hmm...

Werebazs Since: Sep, 2011
#7930: Jan 10th 2016 at 12:16:59 AM

Legends is best to be left alone. Well, the post Rotj stuff, I don't really know enough about the Old Republic stuff to judge it, 'tho what I do know doesn't inspire much trust. However New Jedi Order, Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi were everything claimed to be wrong with the prequels up to eleven. Like seriously, who would ever think it's a good idea to write Luke freaking Skywalker utter the line "Compassion is for those who deserve it", or have him as the mastermind of thousands of highly public assasinations??? Christie Golden and Troy Denning respectively, of course. And sadly, both are allowed to work in the new canon... You know what? I take it back. Let them continue Legends, and leave the new canon to authors who can actually write Star Wars.

edited 10th Jan '16 12:28:52 AM by Werebazs

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#7931: Jan 10th 2016 at 1:37:46 AM

Anyways, I was watching that video edit of Obi-Wan talking about Anakin with clips from Revenge of the Sith added in, and I just realized something...

Hayden Christensen looks a bit like Mark Hamill.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#7932: Jan 10th 2016 at 1:47:42 AM

Yep. Luke has softer features though whereas Anakin looks dark and broody. Appropriate.

There's also some shots in Mustafar in his final battle against Obi Wan where he looks almost exactly like an evil Luke Skywalker. Here.

edited 10th Jan '16 1:47:57 AM by MadSkillz

RoboZombie is on the verge of a great collapse today Since: Dec, 2010
is on the verge of a great collapse today
#7933: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:18:56 AM

The problem with extended universes and Multiverses and those types of things is that the priority of the universe in relation to its individual stories almost always begins to skew the wrong way.

Ideally, the extended universe is supposed to support and greater insight to the "main thing" it spawned from (in SW's case the original trilogy.) Inevitably, this gives way to stories that aren't really connected to the "main thing" but still provide more context to the universe, which isn't bad into of itself but eventually leads to people focusing more on the universe than the stories. People write stuff not with creating a good story as their first priority, but with adding such-and-such a THING to the universe. People stop focusing on stories and start focusing solely on world-building, which inevitably leaves only the most die hard of fans to give a shit about the entire life and times of some minor background extra carrying a box. There's this tendency for fandoms to thing bigger is better and assume that creating spawning universes for every godaamn thing must make it better when in really it usually adds pointless cruft to a lean and mean central story.

Compund this with the usual problems of having too many cooks in the kitchen and you end up with most extended universes resulting in mostly pointless world-building for the sake of world-building with a few diamonds in the rough.

Frankly I would've pulled the trigger on The Clone War's status as canon during the Order 66ing of the EU since I'd call it a prime example of the problem with extended universes.

edited 10th Jan '16 2:21:33 AM by RoboZombie

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#7934: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:26:39 AM

Awful idea because unless SW was going to re-make the Clone Wars, it gave greater insight and context to the PT which is just as important as the OT.

Also it fleshes Anakin out in good ways as well as Obi Wan. We like actually see them being friends.

( Also I love Ahsoka.)

edited 10th Jan '16 2:27:05 AM by MadSkillz

sarcastibot from El Paso, Texas Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
#7935: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:27:22 AM

See, that is why when people say "George didn't care" I scoff. George Lucas had a great eye for detail. He understood the characters look, motivations, etc. What George tried to do was juxtapose two stories, one where the hero went down the righteous path, and one where the hero went down the evil path.

How successful he was at either is up to the person watching. But he had a clear vision for the story.

What I hope with these new movies is that they find the medium between the total cynicism of the prequels and the total optimism of the original trilogy. I doubt that'll happen but that's how it is.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#7936: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:34:59 AM

Rey as an anti-hero?

[up] Just a conclusion but I think part of the reasons he created TCW is because he felt that he didn't do a good enough job with Anakin as he did with Luke.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#7937: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:41:14 AM

[up]x4 They could have at least used some of those diamonds and characters in building the new universe.

edited 10th Jan '16 2:50:27 AM by Memers

sarcastibot from El Paso, Texas Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
#7938: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:48:16 AM

[up][up] an anti-hero that becomes a hero-hero maybe? Idk

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#7939: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:49:48 AM

How about a girl that becomes an anti-hero?

If it wasn't for how they portrayed Kylo Ren in TFA, I would've suggested he goes on a journey to become an anti-villain while Rey becomes an anti-hero.

sarcastibot from El Paso, Texas Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
#7940: Jan 10th 2016 at 2:54:46 AM

You might be my soul mate. That. Sounds. Awesome.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7941: Jan 10th 2016 at 3:07:51 AM

@7932: I can't believe I never noticed how 70's Luke's hair is until just now.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#7942: Jan 10th 2016 at 5:50:56 AM

i posted about this earlier but i think a sith realizing how horrible they are and going through a redemption arc would make a pretty good story, and apparently even with the EU it's unexplored territory.

in the end he realizes that neither the jedi or sith is the right path for him/her so he just walks his own.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#7943: Jan 10th 2016 at 6:02:48 AM

Isn't that kind of Revan's story from KOTOR?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#7944: Jan 10th 2016 at 6:10:48 AM

Revan's story(not counting TOR)is: well intentioned Jedi Knight>missing>well intentioned Sith Lord>amnesia mook>amnesia Jedi Padawan>Jedi Knight>missing

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#7945: Jan 10th 2016 at 7:09:46 AM

[up]And from there:

>Well-intentioned Jedi > Lunatic > becoming one with the Force

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#7946: Jan 10th 2016 at 7:20:35 AM

@Continuing Legends: I think it's best to just leave it alone. I don't want Disney to try and juggle two universes and I've heard most of the Eu wasn't that good anyway.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#7947: Jan 10th 2016 at 7:43:58 AM

They shouldn't split their attention like that. They need to keep the old "we're preparing for a bigger threat out there" thing dead, get the better authors of the old verse back in, and have them write for the new one. And they need to keep each series in the hands of one author or a duo who work well together. Otherwise they get more competing stories that don't need to be told.

I can't say too much against Christie Golden. I liked her Starcraft stories and considering one of the early ideas of the franchise was Luke falling to the dark side, it's not actually entirely unacceptable that he'd lose his optimistic farmboy-turned-savior aspect. Hell, if what we know from the new verse is anything to go by, he DID lose that. Hard.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#7948: Jan 10th 2016 at 8:00:06 AM

I thought anyone could write and publish a Star Wars novel.

I mean, how I thought it worked was a writer wants to write a Star Wars book, they contact Disney for the okay, and then they can just publish it.

If they want it to be part of canon, Disney has to deliberate with them, but otherwise they can write whatever they want.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#7949: Jan 10th 2016 at 8:05:29 AM

That's assuming Disney would just approve any old book. I doubt they'd be willing to do that.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#7950: Jan 10th 2016 at 8:09:07 AM

I would love to see a new book by Zahn or Dan Abnett. Hell, give Zahn a book taking place after Aftermath dealing with those non-First Order founder Imperials working for that Fleet Admiral since we're most likely not going to get a movie with the original heroes set in that time due to their age.


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