Respect the Red Right Hand
To ammend, I say that as someone who loves the movie and followed its proper thread the whole run, no one seriously disliked the movie on the whole. Well, except John K, but he's John K.
Respect the Red Right Hand
It's hilarious, the songs are great, Flynn Rider is distilled awesome and handsome to boot (and I say this as a straight man), and honestly I fail to see much illogic that wasn't A) inherent in the fairy tale of Rapunzel (healing tears Grandfather Clause) or B) standard cartoon license to be goofy with animals and etc.
edited 16th Dec '11 6:53:00 PM by Ronnie
A) What bothers me isn't the magic, but how the characters were constructed. For example, we're simply told that Mother Gothel is a villain, not really show. Yes, she kidnapps Rapunzel, but only because she doesn't have any other chance, she'd slowly disintegrate to death if she didn't.
Then, she will go on three day trips to get Rapunzel what she wants, given the entire room is painted over, she must have gone in this tiring trips over and over, it wasn't a one time thing. Her abuse doesn't really qualify her as the monster we're supposed to think she is.
Then Flynn, he also only wants Rapunzel at first to get the crown, but because he's the romantic lead and she's pretty, he gets better.
Too much of double standard going on here.
But the worst for me was how unrealistic and glossed over they presented abusive relationships.
edited 16th Dec '11 7:04:30 PM by Aninha
Honestly, for me, it's not like I don't like the film, I'm just completely....Meh towards it. The film had some great visuals and the songs were ok I guess, it just wasn't anything new for me. For instance, I thought Princess And The Frog was brilliant because not only did it introduce the new millenial revolution for hand drawn animation but I loved the contemporary Deconstruction of the original fairytale and that it was set in America not some far off unreachable land. Tangled was a basic popcorn film for me. Not great but not terrible either.
You are displaying abnormally high compulsions to over-analyze works of fiction and media. Diagnosis: TV Tropes Addiction.No: she kidnaps Rapunzel because otherwise she'd slowly age until she dies, just like, um, everybody else on the planet. Somehow, humanity seems to manage, so why can't she?
Avatar art by Lorna-Ka.Not really, at least not judging by the end, where she seems to disintegrate pretty quickly to her death, I get it that she ages faster as time goes, that is, the older she is, the more often she needs the magic. But still, it is implied she had been using this magic for perhaps even centuries, so the rate at which she'll age faster the longer she uses the magic is pretty slow. Meaning the disintegration she went through at the ending was probably close to the one she'd go through 18 years in the past.
They definitely show why Mother Goethel is evil. She kidnaps Rapunzel, imprisons her and becomes mad with power by having a key to youth.
And why the movie's good: it's got the smolder. And a cool chameleon.
edited 16th Dec '11 7:51:31 PM by Buscemi
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Says the person who called Megamind the best film of 2010.
Not only it's based on a fairy tale that's inherently... not very good or clever to say the least, but there's inevitable Disneyfication of it that never improves pretty much anything, and it's also in THREE DEE.
because when something advertises THREEE DEEEEE as its selling point, you just know it's real art.
Not even bothered watching.
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What's wrong with Mega Mind? Best film, no, but still a relatively decent film.
I like Tangled, but I've got several problems with it:
- I didn't find the animal sidekicks funny most of the time. The jokes between the human characters were funnier almost as a rule, with the exception of the Flynn/Maximus feud, which I enjoyed.
- As far as I'm concerned, "I See the Light" is one of the blandest, most generic Disney songs ever.
- The opening infodump is horrendous. It's just a bad idea in general, and badly executed to boot. It goes on for far too long, but still manages to feel rushed, having too fast a pace. I don't really know how this one could have been fixed, but the movie's first five minutes are definitely its weakest.
This. As the Unpopular Opinions thread taught us, any time anyone says: "I'm the only one who thought X!", they are just projecting to feel unique.
edited 17th Dec '11 12:53:22 AM by Kerrah
I do think that Mother Goethel got the short end of the stick.
She was wronged, she used the flower for centuries, and then the king came and destroyed it. She did what she needed to do in a fit of desperation. I can't really blame her. She was a lousy villain, because she wasn't really a villain at all. At times she seemed to genuinely care about Rapunzel, not just her magic hair.
I liked the film purely because of Mother Gothel
She just had this perfect element of relateability to her. While I'd say that she's most definitely a villain, her motivation (fear of death) is something we can all identify with. I doesn't justify her actions by any means, but I'd say it makes them a lot more understandable.
That (and I know I'm gonna get berated for this) and I swear Gothel actually cared about Rapunzel to some degree. (for reasons beyond her hair)
Also, she's a Magnificent Bitch
You got a problem with sympathetic villains? They're the best kind. Gothel's one of my favourite Disney villains ever
edited 17th Dec '11 2:50:12 AM by gingerninja666
"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs SchneizelI seriously don't understand why people find Gothel at all sympathetic. She kidnapped and kept a child locked away for eighteen years just to expand her already worn out lifespan. Being afraid of death doesn't justify anything she did. Also, where are people getting the idea that she cared about Rapunzel? Does lying to her and keeping her alone suggest anything like caring?
Did I say justify? NO. There's a difference between SYMPATHIZING with a villain, and JUSTIFYING their methods. They are NOT one in the same. Understanding a villain's goals to some degree only makes them more effective IMHO
Also, tell me, why the charade? Why did Gothel put so much effort into being a mother to Rapunzel? She could've just chained her up in the basement of the tower, force fed her the minimum amount of food possible and sung the song to the hair herself.
but no, Gothel was willing to go on a journey that could KILL her, purely to get Rapunzel some paint.
edited 17th Dec '11 3:27:49 AM by gingerninja666
"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs SchneizelGoethel was basically an overprotective parent, which is not inherently an evil thing. And the prince have not done anything remotely heroic or clever in any way to acquire anything.
Things he've done:
1. Eavesdrop on Goethel to find out the secret phrase.
2. Have a lot of unprotected sex with Rapunzel like a retard, leading to her becoming pregnant and everything being ruined forever.
3. Jumping out of the tower and fucking gouging his eyes out like... retard isn't even a word strong enough anymore.

The animation was fantastic, but I really thought the movie was otherwise seriously bad on many levels. Is there anyone with me?