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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#651: Jan 7th 2012 at 10:18:36 AM

[up]I rather suspect so.

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Katrika Since: Jul, 2009
#652: Jan 7th 2012 at 10:30:14 AM

I mean, it just really strikes me wrong. Especially when it's in Law and Order: SVU, for goodness sake! I understand that Elliot is not exactly the most forgiving of men when it comes to suspects and it's in-character, but in one episode Olivia went undercover in a woman's prison to investigate a serial prison rapist guard and almost got raped herself, so...I think that after that incident (which most certainly traumatized her) the use of the prison rape as a threat would have stopped, but it DIDN'T. I think SHE even uses it. And it just. Bleh.

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sveni Since: Apr, 2011
#653: Jan 7th 2012 at 10:44:21 AM

It gives an impression that it's OK to rape criminals/people who don't give information to the police. It's victim-blaming before one becomes a victim, thus it's rape culture.

Clicketykeys Since: Sep, 2010
#654: Jan 7th 2012 at 10:48:17 AM

Short answer: Yes. OTOH, SVU is a rather grim show; the moral compromises that the protagonists make is part of the narrative in general.

TheGloomer Since: Sep, 2010
#655: Jan 7th 2012 at 11:00:07 AM

There was one episode of Criminal Minds where one of the profilers threatens a serial rapist with prison rape, though as far as I know it doesn't happen very often in that series.

KingNerd Can-I-Bus from Suburbia. Since: Dec, 1969
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#656: Jan 7th 2012 at 11:10:51 AM

To get back on the topic of how to stop rape, I feel that once Sex robots/Holodecks become affordable to even the poor that rape will not occur as much due to the fact that any potential rapist's could just have a robot to satisfy there need's.

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BlackHumor Since: Jan, 2001
#657: Jan 7th 2012 at 11:27:24 AM

But there are ALREADY plenty of methods to "satisfy those needs". Masturbation and prostitutes both work perfectly damn well, even if you DON'T have a girlfriend.

Katrika Since: Jul, 2009
#658: Jan 7th 2012 at 11:29:38 AM

King Nerd: It's not just about the sex. A sadistic rapist will want to hurt a PERSON.

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Gwirion Since: Jan, 2011
#659: Jan 7th 2012 at 11:43:21 AM

There was one episode of Criminal Minds where one of the profilers threatens a serial rapist with prison rape, though as far as I know it doesn't happen very often in that series.

Even though that has its own set of problems, at least it's threatening a rapist with a rape, as opposed to just anyone who committed any type of felony.

To get back on the topic of how to stop rape, I feel that once Sex robots/Holodecks become affordable to even the poor that rape will not occur as much due to the fact that any potential rapist's could just have a robot to satisfy there need's.

I've found a hand works just fine at satisfying my needs when there's no one to have sex with. But that's okay, I'm sure talking about a time where insanely expensive technology will be available to the poor is a more productive derail than discussing cultural norms which perpetuate rape culture cool

edited 7th Jan '12 11:45:49 AM by Gwirion

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Uchuujinsan Since: Oct, 2009
#660: Jan 11th 2012 at 9:21:51 AM

Because the thread seems to be dying, I have a little different question. In that rape statistic posted earlier there was some interesting data: It was comparing people who got raped while they were young (I think below 24) with people who weren't. The result was something like this: If you haven't been raped at a relatively young age, your chances for being raped later were roughly 14%. If you have, your chances were something like roughly 60%. Why do you think the statistic was/is like this?

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Octo Prince of Dorne from Germany Since: Mar, 2011
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#661: Jan 11th 2012 at 9:27:11 AM

Many people who have been raped while young will come from rather bad family backgrounds - in fact, the rapist might even have been a family member. Thus, they will carry psychological damages, potentially all their life. Now, remember that in fact most rapes are not by strangers but by people the victim knows. And, unfortunately, such people have a way of sensing if people have already been victimized, and have a way of exploiting that...

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#662: Jan 11th 2012 at 9:39:47 AM

[up]That, and it's an unfortunate truth that those who have been abused when young tend to gravitate towards people with abusive personalities of their own volition.

It's what they're used to, I guess. sad

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Octo Prince of Dorne from Germany Since: Mar, 2011
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#663: Jan 11th 2012 at 9:47:10 AM

Ah, yes, there's that, too. Unfortunately there is nothing "I guess" about it - statistically, people who grew up with abusive parents are also far more likely to end up in an abusive relationship. Because it really is what they're used to...

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#664: Jan 11th 2012 at 11:25:38 PM

@King Nerd: But the sexbots and holodecks may not have the female who is turning you on right now. And who is rejecting you.

As has been said above, the sex itself is entirely secondary to the power issue, which often results from the cognitive dissonance issue.

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#665: Jan 18th 2012 at 3:41:37 PM

Thread Hop: did we come to a consensus on if Rape as Comedy leads to a greater acceptance of rape in real life?

edited 18th Jan '12 3:41:53 PM by joeyjojo

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Gwirion Since: Jan, 2011
#666: Jan 18th 2012 at 3:49:48 PM

I certainly think that treating prison rape as comical contributes to people being so cavalier and "they deserve it" about it.

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Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
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#667: Jan 18th 2012 at 3:51:06 PM

Though I'd argue that in that case the problem is less about how we treat it as comical and more about how we treat it as inevitable and "part of the program."

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KanameFujiwara Since: Apr, 2010
#668: Jan 18th 2012 at 3:59:58 PM

I believe that one of the reason why rape culture is flourishing is apathy. Apathy basically means to not care. It doesn't matter what happen to another person so long as it doesn't involved you and the people you care, you won't care about it. The solution to apathy is empathy which means to care, to understand. Only when you are able to understand a person can you identify with their grief and pain. You will become more sensitive, more understanding and thus have a wider view and perspective of things allowing you to make better, more informed decisions.

To simplify, rape will occur less frequently if people took the time to understand each other.

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OrKuunArQenByundis A Grey Sun Veiled By Dark Clouds on a Cold Wind from Under the Sun Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#669: Jan 31st 2012 at 7:25:15 PM

[up] I think that's about the most effective way to put a dent in it, in more civilized countries, anyway. There's always gonna be a ton of regions in other countries where nobody'd batt an eye at this stuff. Which sucks. One step at a time, I guess...

edited 31st Jan '12 7:25:46 PM by OrKuunArQenByundis

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iphobos Disagree, but look it up from Somewhere's Ville Since: Aug, 2011
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#670: Feb 6th 2012 at 3:27:57 PM

1 The Starship Maxima I simply don't believe you, how did they arrive at the conclusion that nearly "one in five" women have been raped? what was the survey? is based on previous records? Who did they consult?

1 the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively : 20th century popular culture. • a refined understanding or appreciation of this : men of culture. • the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group : Caribbean culture | people from many different cultures. • [with adj. ] the attitudes and behavior characteristic of a particular social group : the emerging drug culture.

I think that the last definition is what's being used here, and I disagree. Rape has no culture, it's a sin and a crime, but it's not how some large, interconnected group bases it's actions.

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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#671: Feb 6th 2012 at 3:39:31 PM

^ I seem to recall a study indicating that the majority of women who, from a legal standpoint, have been raped don't consider themselves rape victims. (A lot of the rapes in question occurred within marriage, and weren't physically struggled against.)

That said, if we have a culture that promotes values by which they don't consider themselves to have been raped, I consider that to be a culture that legitimizes rape, and thus a rape culture. (I believe that every person always has the right to refuse sex under every circumstance. This seems to be an extreme viewpoint even among asexuals, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with myself if I argued otherwise.)

edited 6th Feb '12 3:41:02 PM by feotakahari

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#672: Feb 6th 2012 at 3:41:16 PM

That's not the meaning of the word 'culture' that's being used here. It's been explained somewhere before in this thread, but somebody doesn't even have to be thinking about rape or sex in order to be a part of 'rape culture'. It's just a word that means 'all the attitudes and behaviours in society that contribute to rape being as prevalent as it is, even unintentionally'.

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Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
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#673: Feb 6th 2012 at 3:42:18 PM

This seems to be an extreme viewpoint even among asexuals...

Who are then bastards. Seriously, why the hell wouldn't you agree with that statement? I do not comprehend...

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#674: Feb 6th 2012 at 3:44:21 PM

Well. If I understand it right, most people accept that a relationship has to involve a little compromise. If someone has a higher sex drive than their partner, then either one person isn't feeling sexually fulfilled, or the other is having sex that they don't really want.

Is it wrong for the person with lower libido to occasionally have sex even though they don't really feel like it, for the sake of making their partner happy?

edited 6th Feb '12 3:45:52 PM by LoniJay

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Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
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#675: Feb 6th 2012 at 3:49:12 PM

Is it wrong for the person with lower libido to occasionally have sex even though they don't really feel like it, for the sake of making their partner happy?

It's only morally wrong if the person both doesn't really feel like it and wants to refuse but won't because of their partner's influence.

It's not exactly a healthy relationship, though...

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