Yes, as Doma has noted, celebrity worship is fucked up.
@Drakyndra: Did you know that two out of three tiers on the sex offenders' registry are for non-violent sex crimes? While you're discussing society's outlook rather than legal framework specifically, sex laws get to be what they are because there's always popular support for making them more severe over time without any regard for how they actually mesh with reality. If it's 'against sex offenders' then it's a freebie to pass through congress. How is something like this
indicative of a culture that takes non-violent sex crimes lightly?
edited 18th Dec '11 12:53:11 PM by Karkadinn
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.The sexual registration scheme is meh. The problem with it really is that we have stupid people in their late teens with slightly younger significant others getting statutory rape charges because the significant other's parent's freak out. Whereas, the correct response is most likely (depending on the age of the significant other) either (if the significant other is rather young (< 15) "hey, dipshit, go away and wait a few years" or, if the significant other is probably old enough to think for themselves (16+) "hey, parents, they have to grow up eventually, please stop whining."
edited 18th Dec '11 12:56:01 PM by USAF713
I am now known as Flyboy.The abysmal conditions Canadian First Nations women live in is a tragedy that probably deserves its own separate discussion (just so that it's not lost in this absolutely awful thread). Anyone who's curious can start here
.
edited 18th Dec '11 12:59:45 PM by AManInBlack
It's beautiful and so full of deep imagery that it doesn't surprise me to find that it has gone WAY over your headI'd like to respond to something from earlier, which I've seen in similar form in a variety of other places:
When I thought my car had been stolen, I was asked whether I'd left the door unlocked, and whether I'd left my keys in the glove compartment, and all I could do was grin sheepishly. (For what it's worth, the police still searched for the car—it turned out not to have been stolen, but they took the case seriously while the possibility existed.)
edited 18th Dec '11 2:57:35 PM by feotakahari
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful...well, for that specific quote, I'd say that all but the first question are actually relevant to an investigation, though it would be situational.
I am now known as Flyboy.It's not a good way to treat rape victims. A person should be able to wear whatever they want without fear of being raped. Wearing a certain kind of clothing doesn't make a rape victim blameworthy; asking such questions is nothing more than unproductive, emotionally damaging, rape culture-esque victim blaming.
edited 18th Dec '11 3:13:02 PM by Grain
Anime geemu wo shinasai!From something I scribed elsewhere...
This
is a very recent article about rape culture:
@ MDRA: There are reasonable types of rape prevention advice, like not taking drinks from strangers, and being around friends. Then, there is unreasonable, patriarchal advice like telling people how they should dress.
There is in fact a blame culture. Here's an article
from 2010 about it.
edited 18th Dec '11 3:28:48 PM by Grain
Anime geemu wo shinasai!"You can tell when a woman is sexually attracted to you" is not, out of context, a pro-rape statement. Honestly, from the quotes they gave us, I'm amazed they didn't guess below chance. The rapists, with more of a vested interest in looking presentable, made a bigger stress on consent than the lads' mags, which are primarily concerned with masturbation fodder.
"Raped after willingly getting into bed with an assailant"? I can see circumstances in which that happens, but I can't think it's a huge demographic.
edited 18th Dec '11 3:34:40 PM by DomaDoma
Hail Martin Septim!
Let's play the game right now:
2. Some girls walk around in short-shorts . . . showing their body off . . . It just starts a man thinking that if he gets something like that, what can he do with it?
3. A girl may like anal sex because it makes her feel incredibly naughty and she likes feeling like a dirty slut. If this is the case, you can try all sorts of humiliating acts to help live out her filthy fantasy.
4. Mascara running down the cheeks means they've just been crying, and it was probably your fault . . . but you can cheer up the miserable beauty with a bit of the old in and out.
5. What burns me up sometimes about girls is dick-teasers. They lead a man on and then shut him off right there.
6. Filthy talk can be such a turn on for a girl . . . no one wants to be shagged by a mouse . . . A few compliments won't do any harm either . . . ‘I bet you want it from behind you dirty whore' . . .
7. You know girls in general are all right. But some of them are bitches . . . The bitches are the type that . . . need to have it stuffed to them hard and heavy.
8. Escorts . . . they know exactly how to turn a man on. I've given up on girlfriends. They don't know how to satisfy me, but escorts do.
9. You'll find most girls will be reluctant about going to bed with somebody or crawling in the back seat of a car . . . But you can usually seduce them, and they'll do it willingly.
10. There's nothing quite like a woman standing in the dock accused of murder in a sex game gone wrong . . . The possibility of murder does bring a certain frisson to the bedroom.
11. Girls ask for it by wearing these mini-skirts and hotpants . . . they're just displaying their body . . . Whether they realise it or not they're saying, ‘Hey, I've got a beautiful body, and it's yours if you want it.'
12. You do not want to be caught red-handed . . . go and smash her on a park bench. That used to be my trick.
13. Some women are domineering, but I think it's more or less the man who should put his foot down. The man is supposed to be the man. If he acts the man, the woman won't be domineering.
14. I think if a law is passed, there should be a dress code . . . When girls dress in those short skirts and things like that, they're just asking for it.
15. Girls love being tied up . . . it gives them the chance to be the helpless victim.
16. I think girls are like plasticine, if you warm them up you can do anything you want with them.
I don't understand the point that you're trying to make in this statement.
edited 18th Dec '11 3:36:52 PM by Grain
Anime geemu wo shinasai!Jezebel tends to embody most of the negative stereotypes that people have about feminism, so I'd take anything they publish with a large pinch of salt.
(FWIW, they once wrote about 1,000 words on whether or not "I Just Had Sex" by the Lonely Island was supportive or condemning Third-Wave Feminism. Things like that.)
He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.@ 287:
Agreed, though I notice that the former is often equated with "victim-blaming" as much as the latter.
BTW, that first article you linked was mentioned earlier in the thread.
edited 18th Dec '11 3:53:10 PM by MRDA1981
Enjoy the Inferno..."Don't dress provocatively" only means something if dressing in a provocative manner actually does mean that one is more likely to be raped. And even then, it's sick victim-blaming.
If you'll forgive the brief statistics diatribe, if the majority of rapes are carried out by "people you know", then dressing provocatively will likely have no effect on them. Indeed, almost all stats I've seen say that provocative behaviour on the part of the victim is rare (often being below 5%).
edited 18th Dec '11 3:39:41 PM by AllanAssiduity
(FWIW, they once wrote about 1, 000 words on whether or not "I Just Had Sex" by the Lonely Island was supportive or condemning Third-Wave Feminism. Things like that.)
Thank you for the advice, but in the context of this conversation, you're performing an ad hominem fallacy.
edited 18th Dec '11 3:39:15 PM by Grain
Anime geemu wo shinasai!1 - freebie
2 - rapist: justification
3 - freebie
4 - lad mag: blatant masturbation fodder, cheeky terminology
5 - not sure, but pathetic sexual frustration doesn't equate to rape.
6 - lad mag: masturbation fodder masquerading as relationship advice
7 - rapist, not in the mood for pleading innocence. If this is a lad mag, it's a short story, and I don't think that's how they operate. (If it is, then you'd better not have a double standard when it's called "non-con" or "dub-con".)
8 - lad mag: appeals to the bachelor demographic.
9 - I would say PUA manual if I could. As it is, lad mag.
10 - lad mag. The elaborate fantasy shit again. (That archaism should be out-of-bounds to horny losers, IMO. I'm very partial to it.)
11 - rapist. Self-justifying.
12 - freebie. I get the feeling the ellipsis is concealing some important context, and that this may be true of the other quotes as well.
13 - marital rapist, but out of context, it sounds like a fundie who isn't talking specifically about sex.
14 - rapist.
15 - lad mag.
16 - rapist.
The people I've identified as rapists are either self-justifying, or much lower on the lurid detail.
EDIT: What I'm saying is that I wouldn't blame the survey objects for not wrapping their heads around rape in the middle of consensual sex. Furthermore, false accusations there have to be through the roof.
edited 18th Dec '11 4:02:04 PM by DomaDoma
Hail Martin Septim!RE: Jezebel: I'll just repost one I wrote earlier.
Most of them are just talking about consensual seduction, pet fantasies, and masochistic turn-ons; a few are suspect (7, 11) but, judging by the ellipses, possibly decontextualized; the only one that strikes me as out-and-out fucked-up is #14.
#10 just made me laugh my arse off! How could anyone interpret that in any other way than: "I wanna be ridden ragged by Catherine Tramell"?
Do you mean that a person shouldn't be suspected of rape if the alleged victim consented to get into bed, but did not consent to have sex?
What evidence do you have that false rape accusations are "through the roof?" Are you saying it because you heard it from someone else? This is rape culture.
Between 2 to 8 percent
of rape accusations
are determined false. It's very disturbing to hear people propagate ideas that rape victims are liars when sexual assault is such an extremely underreported crime (60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police)
. When rape actually is reported, there's a 50% chance of arrest.
edited 18th Dec '11 4:34:03 PM by Grain
Anime geemu wo shinasai!How the hell do they collect the underreported rape statistic? At least that website is milder about it than most; I've seen the statistic written as high as 95%. (Further proof that the number was essentially made up on the spot.) And there's a 42% acquittal rate into the bargain? False accusation is always a tough thing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but you can't tell me, as that graphic does, that all those acquittals and throw-outs are unjustified.
If you consent to sex with someone, then you must really hate some particular kind of sex, and he must know it, for there to be rape midway through. If this is not the case, we're talking regretted consensual sex. Just spitballing.
edited 18th Dec '11 4:39:54 PM by DomaDoma
Hail Martin Septim!Thank you for appreciating it.
I'm not a statistician, and neither are you, but I think that the Bureau of Justice's report is more legitimate than the rape doubting of an anonymous internet person.
I don't think that it's impossible for a person to lie about being raped. I think that the public's perception of the prevalence of false rape accusation is disproportionate to the actual number of false accusations. And That's Terrible.
edited 18th Dec '11 4:58:18 PM by Grain
Anime geemu wo shinasai!

[wrong thread keep track of your tabs annebeeche]
edited 18th Dec '11 12:52:26 PM by annebeeche
Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.