He's wondering why in a world where aliens and robots are known to exist and are seen on a regular basis, the pop-sci-fi landscape is completely unchanged. Presumably in such a world speculative fiction would've taken a direction that would've resulted in a much less enduring legacy for Wars and Trek.
Can't say I agree with that perspective, but it's interesting to me that in Marvel and DC the existence of all if not most speculative fiction tropes and creatures seems to have barely impacted pop culture.
edited 8th Dec '11 8:30:07 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Actually thats one I agree with. I mean, Watchmen itself even addressed that. The appearance of real life superheroes meant that comics like Superman and The Flash faded into obscurity while Pirate Comics were able to take there place. That being said though even if Aliens and Robots were around I doubt they would disappear from comicbooks completely. Considering the nature of Superhero Fantasy Kitchen Sinks, I doubt any publisher or producer could find a concept that wasn't already present in their reality.
Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.Can't say I agree with that perspective, but it's interesting to me that in Marvel and DC the existence of all if not most speculative fiction tropes and creatures seems to have barely impacted pop culture.
This is basically the biggest issue I have with the Marvel and DC universes: Status Quo Is God taken to ludicrous extremes.
Although to be fair, aren't in-universe superhero comics in Marvel basically licensed Real-Person Fic that exists to fund the public-identity heroes?
edited 8th Dec '11 11:05:29 PM by silver2195
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You would think a clever enough villain would use those comics to paint their enemies in a negative light, the same way Jameson would Spider-man with the Daily Bugle.
Just because aliens and robots and all that jazz exist in a universe doesn't mean they won't still show up in sci-fi films there. However, it probably does mean that filmmakers will feel pressure to make the aliens and robots in their movies more closely resemble the aliens and robots people see on the news each day.
In Marvel, the sliding timescale means that aliens, gods and the like are still new to public knowledge, they haven't had time to displace pop culture yet.
That said, people in Marvel have known about mutants for a hundred years, you'd think their would be more stuff like "The day the muties won", "When Mutants Attack" and "Muffy The Mutant Slayer"...then again that was Nimrod's origin. Make mutant extermination look like a kid's show.
Captain America, Namor and The Original Human Torch means traditional superheroes have been known for at least seventy years. One of the Fantastic Four named himself after the original human torch but you'd figure there would be more pop culture relating to the old superheroes.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture RackWell in some of the Spider-man Unlimited short stories, superheroes have become a part of pop-culture. Theres a show called Fanboyz which is basically Jackass trying to imitate superheroes, a fantasy Avengers league, toys, stickers. Shame none of that really found it's way into the mainstream continuity.
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Since when has it been 100 years? If that's true then its bloody stupid, it creates more holes than just lack of Mutants in pop culture. Xavier and Magneto pretty much need to be in the first generation of visible mutants, otherwise it doesn't work for them to be so prominent.
They've been known since at least World War 2, known long enough to get put in the oven camps like all the others deemed undesirable by the Hitler controlled Nazi party. That would mean they've also been around long enough for being to be able to identify them as such.
That's ninety years minimum. Magneto has an extended lifespan so he kind of was part of that first generation. Professor X just got sick of all the mutant hate and made a superhero team since people loved superheroes.
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Got any reference for that.
Also if mutants would have been seen as an immediate threat, so it only needs to be 70 years. Also Magneto was a teenager or child during the war, and most mutants display their powers as adults. So he would have had his powers during (possibly) the first generation, but have been the same age as the next. As for Xavier I posted my thoughts on him during that Magnetp 21st century thread.
Am I a good man or a bad man?Note: not all the comics published in the Marvel Universe reflect events accurately, only licensed ones like the Fantastic Four's (who, note, have no secret identities) do. Marvel actually published (for real I mean) some of those comics a few years ago. Turns out they show Spider-Man as a criminal and Thor as an alien (IIRC).
And in my Head Canon, Next Wave was just one of these comics.
edited 14th Dec '11 8:50:46 AM by Sijo
The very first X-men comic, Professor X makes a Super Hero team because he's tired of anti mutant sentiment and goes off to fight Magneto. It worked, the military at least thanked the X-men. Then they fought aliens and the Juggernaut...until Marvel decided the mutant conflict should never end and all the progress they made got reset.
I suppose it could be because Magneto was Jewish, but traditionally his powers first manifested in the Warsaw Ghetto, and this got him sent to a death camp. After the Axis were defeated he moved to Israel and met Xavier. The time they meet in Israel just gets pushed forward every ten years.
Everybody with magnetic powers has an extended lifespan in Marvel, don't ask me why but I'll try and find a reference.
edited 14th Dec '11 9:08:19 AM by Cider
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I'm not questioning the extended lifespan, although a referance might still be nice because I've never read it in a comic or official source. And although I believe it's true, it doesn't really matter that much for a decade or so anyway, he was de-aged and re-aged back to his prime fairly near the beggining of Marvel time.
My problem is with the camps, he got sent there because he was Jewish and the stress caused his powers to manifest while there. Ir at least I've seen no indication otherwise. It's been at least strongly implied that Magneto and Xavier were in the first generation of mutants that numbered more than a handfull, prior to that there were only a few around.
Xavier and Magneto can still be similar ages btw, a ten year age gap would place Xavier in his 70's, which sounds about right to me. It does mean that he could still walk untill about his 50's though.
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So in Marvel and DC, there has already been widely known contact with a large variety of alien races, but Star Wars and Star Trek are referenced like they are popular. This bugs me because these would be entirely speculative works, not at all like their realities. i would think science fiction in their worlds would logically focus on the aliens who they knew existed?
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