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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#234526: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:32:07 PM

What flaws are you expecting him to have?

Also, what is a good example?

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#234527: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:35:30 PM

Well, being the literal Source of Evil, I expect him to be, you know, evil.

There really is no example that works. The character always ends up coming off like a pretentious know-it-all.

I can barely tolerate Dogma for this exact reason.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#234528: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:42:46 PM

Who is Dogma?

Also Ferg probably a good idea to give him a more say. Evil opinion about things.

Some things considered wholly evil:

Subjugating everything by force.

Enjoying suffering.

Being completely devoid of empathy.

Some traits eldritch beings might have:

The big one is not knowing nor caring about Mortal thought patterns.

Haughtiness. Intentional assholish haughtiness.

Being an Alien Alien.

Not that he has to be all those things, but they're just suggestions for improvement.

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#234529: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:43:15 PM

Oh.

Well, he does sign pledges, but no one in the room is dumb enough to strike such a deal. Otherwise, he has no reason to be evil for the sake of being evil.

@Jam: But that's not an improvement. The whole point is that he has no need to be a pointlessly petty dick when he can lift a pinky and level Mount Everest that way.

And, as his earlier conversation with Sayaka can attest, he does enjoy when people just kinda throw their soul away. Or when they try to run as he or his underlings hunt him down.

edited 1st Mar '14 3:45:36 PM by FergardStratoavis

GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#234530: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:43:38 PM

*cough Ace cough*

Fell asleep. But basically what Duffy said.

edited 1st Mar '14 3:43:54 PM by GameSpazzer

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#234531: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:46:10 PM

sheogorath is at it again

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#234532: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:46:29 PM

Duffy's making me think really hard about the Madokaverse, though. I'm trying to make sure I don't write myself into a corner.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#234533: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:47:23 PM

I mean the Kevin James movie.

If you forgive me for being presumptuous, Ferg, I'm assuming BAG'S character is "Cosmic Entity who's basically just a normal schlub on his days off."

But he'll act that way for a bit, drinking beers and watching TV, and then on the same page he'll suddenly become "All-Knowing Cosmic Entity, Ever-wise in the affairs of mere mortals" and spout philisophical stuff.

You can't mix these two things together, because when you do he comes off as, well...a pretentious know-it-all. Not an average joe with a COSMIC day job.

edited 1st Mar '14 3:49:25 PM by MacDuffy

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whatever he can
#234534: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:47:52 PM

CHEESE

FOR EVERYONE

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eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#234536: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:56:15 PM

Normal would be stretching it, but yes, roughly speaking.

...I honestly don't know how to counter or retort to this argument. I quite literally can't wrap my head around this. I just don't see the problem.

edited 1st Mar '14 3:57:42 PM by FergardStratoavis

eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#234537: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:58:05 PM

well no one can wrap their head around anything unless it is impaled through their skull

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#234538: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:00:29 PM

What he's saying is that he should either be an all knowing cosmic entity, or just a normal guy with powers.

He can't switch between the two, like you've been doing.

edited 1st Mar '14 4:01:00 PM by Azure

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#234539: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:01:59 PM

Put simply, he just seems annoyingly pretentious and devil-may-care.

He's asking all these questions, yet doesn't seem at all fascinated or affected by the answers he's getting. More like just "Meh. Heard it."

Just telling me "But he has heard it" doesn't change the fact that it's an annoying attitude.

He has seemingly very little intentional flaws, as well, and that's also irritating.

[up] That, too. They don't mix. At all.

edited 1st Mar '14 4:02:32 PM by MacDuffy

GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#234540: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:02:03 PM

Otherwise he turns into Ace. And nobody likes Ace. Because pretentious, wiser-than-thou know-it-alls are annoying.

Psychic ninjas.

edited 1st Mar '14 4:02:26 PM by GameSpazzer

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#234541: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:04:25 PM

Okay, what. Why not? He's been living for God knows how long, he would surely adapt human behavior sooner or later.

What you want me to do is to either strip him off all the personality or turn him into a dumbass who doesn't know how the world that he created - to some degree - works.

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#234542: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:07:56 PM

Here's an idea- He helped create the world... but wasn't really paying attention, so his info is outdated.

GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#234543: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:09:26 PM

What we want you to do is have him act in a way that makes sense. He asks all these questions for the sole purpose of saying "lol i knew that already", and just keeps asking them. This has nothing to do with personality. It has to do with the fact that you are trying to mix two traits that are completely contradictory. You are making him seem dumb because he keeps asking questions to spout fedora-wearer phrases.

MY SOUL IS DARK BUT MY HAIR IS COLORFUL — Brahian Pokémon Alchemist
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#234544: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:11:52 PM

Basically what Spaz said, sans all the angry.

GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#234545: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:12:36 PM

I am not angry. Why do people keep thinking I'm angry?

MY SOUL IS DARK BUT MY HAIR IS COLORFUL — Brahian Pokémon Alchemist
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#234546: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:13:20 PM

Okay, no.

Why can't we all operate on basic logic here? How is he knowing anything already if he's asking questions?

As a fedora wearer, I'm taking offense to that last one, but apart from that, my main question is that I feel hasn't been answered yet: why can't those two mix? What is wrong with mixing those?

edited 1st Mar '14 4:14:22 PM by FergardStratoavis

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#234547: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:13:26 PM

[up][up]

fedora-wearer phrases

[up] Spaz already explained this. They're completely contradictory.

He's doesn't seem like a relatable, affable guy. He seems like an Evil Entity who is replacing just straight-up causing violence or tempting souls with spouting nihilistic philosophy and answering questions he asks other people. And also drinks beer and watches TV.

edited 1st Mar '14 4:17:00 PM by MacDuffy

eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#234548: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:14:31 PM

keep it civil

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#234549: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:18:27 PM

They can't mix because an Avarage Joe is an Average Joe, he's someone the audience can relate too. Someone with problems and gripes that the audence understands. The audience can't relate to a Cosmic God because they don't think or act like a Cosmic God. The Cosmic God doesn't have relateable problems he had Cosmic problems that no one but him gets.

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#234550: Mar 1st 2014 at 4:24:13 PM

Why would he be relatable if he's the Cause of All Evil?

Yes, those two are seemingly contradictory. They can be fused however, mixed into one bag. 'sides, he doesn't really have problems, considering he's one of the biggest active - well, semi-active - names of the universe, if not the biggest? It's all peachy keen with him.

I mean, I don't see why a character supposedly needs a problem to be a good character.


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