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Randomman5 "The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-" Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
"The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-"
#137101: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:21:53 PM

They did?

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#137103: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:22:57 PM

but since apparently this is now an issue the entire thread needs to hear about it's gone public

this can only end as badly as possible

Randomman5 "The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-" Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
"The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-"
#137104: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:23:03 PM

-Punches Trip in the face-

There ya go.

Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#137105: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:23:22 PM

Ah, that's no big deal. I've felt kinda eh about my posts as of late anyways.

Deer
Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#137106: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:24:00 PM

The gist of it is brah. We feel like your chracters are no longer chracters that happen to be furries. But furries that happen to be characters.

Its kinda creepy when you bring in Jacques an Edward just to talk how ripped they are and how many girls they get.

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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#137107: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:24:00 PM

Duff, for the love of God if you won't add anything to this discussion except inflammatory snarking then keep quiet.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#137109: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:26:15 PM

Which is why I no longer bring in those characters. I honestly don't want to post with them anymore.

Deer
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#137110: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:27:37 PM

guess that's my cue to slip out then

vwoop

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#137111: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:28:15 PM

Spaz has put a list of our concerns together. Give her some time to post them.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#137112: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:29:20 PM

That's the only thing I really had. I'm pretty sure Spaz has the rest.

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Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#137113: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:29:23 PM

Yeah, okay, I'll wait for them.

Deer
GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#137114: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:37:58 PM

I was originally planning to PM you, but I felt that would be kind of invasive and rude, not to mention it seemed like skirting around the issue.

Sorry this took so long. My phone does not like copying the pastas.

I was rather hesitant to bring this up at all, but the fact remains that is that just because you're a furry does not mean you need to incorporate it into every single little thing you do, to the detriment of everything else.

These are some assumptions we have made. Some of them may be incorrect, but here is a composite list of how some of us feel about the situation:

  • I miss when you used to write for the sake of writing, instead of writing for the sake of his furry. I miss when Ed used to be a character that happened to be a cat, instead of vice versa, and he had a personality and stuff and he didn't make cat puns every other word and end every sentence with "meow" like some confused fangirl that hasn't discovered "nya" yet. Or whip out fursuits from nowhere. I remember when Delta used to be a character that happened to be a sheep, too. I think that this aspect of your characters has overtaken most of their other traits.
  • Some of us do not feel comfortable with interacting with self-inserts. Before you get on me about Aven, let me make my definition a little more specific — I do not feel comfortable with pandering to someone's wish fulfillment. It's one of the many reasons why Czer and Griff make me so uncomfortable (D-cup lizardtits in Korean outfits and whatever the fuck Griff was doing, respectively), and why I had Jam stop doing that thing with the slimegirl, though he did say it was simply to put Cloud into awkward situations. So we feel no less uncomfortable when you bring in musclebound furries and talk about their abs in great detail and frequently, or bring in your self-insert Ein and have him talk constantly about how I AM A BISECKSHUL AND I AM LOOKIN 4 A BOYFREN... an then once Jam introduced Jinxi, JINXI IS SO GREAT HE IS MY BOYFREN I AM BISECKSHUL. So... there's that. Relating to the first point, it feels like many of your characters have been Flanderised.
  • Many of your characters feel exactly the same, and on top of that, are highly static and rarely if ever go through any development. You seem to have two characters (three counting the self-inserts like Ein and Allison): DEM ABS Furry, and FEELBADFORME Furry. It has quite honestly gotten ridiculous (no-armed goat twins being a prime example, but I already went into that. And they stay the same as when they went in. Manye players feel no incentive at all to talk to any of your characters, because they have had the exact same conversation with them over and over and over and over and over and over again. Sometimes with the same character, sometimes not. A good character can go through multiple arcs, but on the rare occasion one of your characters gets an arc and changes somehow, that's it. It's why Jam rarely uses Dante anymore, and why I never bring in Tifa — what's the point? They're done with their development.
  • Some of you characters don't even make sense... I don't know what the fuck is up with Dio... who is this deer that never actually acts like a deer and seems to be an overexcited beagle with antlers taped to it, and there's Ein's split personality which also acts like a dog, and then there's Nycan... who is a centaur, only the top half is a deer. With arms. So you made a deer with arms. Really, Tats? I normally wouldn't care, because people do weird shit all the time, but the amount of trouble you goe to to work deer into everything for your own deer thing is kind of becoming unnerving.
  • Some character motivations don't make much sense, and are just there to be glurgey. This has been mentioned before, but should be mentioned again. Ronno brings his parents to a room he damn well knows is a death trap, then acts melodramatically sad and traumatised when they nearly get killed, going on and on about how he almost lost them again. Whose fault was that, genius? It's one thing to do cute stuff, but you can't rewrite entire motivations on a dime just to do them.

This problem is less with your writing and more with what you want to write, so I'm not really sure if there's a way to resolve this...

edited 1st Jul '13 10:52:09 PM by GameSpazzer

MY SOUL IS DARK BUT MY HAIR IS COLORFUL — Brahian Pokémon Alchemist
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#137116: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:43:15 PM

I brought it up as an example, and it was a long time ago. Let's not derail things.

edited 1st Jul '13 10:43:58 PM by GameSpazzer

MY SOUL IS DARK BUT MY HAIR IS COLORFUL — Brahian Pokémon Alchemist
Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#137117: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:46:54 PM

Good times.

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Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#137118: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:47:09 PM

Yeah, I can get where you're coming from here. Don't be afraid to be honest with me. I don't get mad at you guys unless you're TAR. I won't freak out or anything if you point something out.

To be honest, yeah, I do hate a lot of my posts from back then that were just blatant service to myself, and I wish I could've written something else. The problem was is that when I write things, I immediately go "Dis is a gud idea" mode and only grow to regret it the next morning.

I also feel like I write to idealistically, or treat my characters as friends rather than what they're supposed to be. Characters. I end up writing things down that turn out to be more Glurgey than I wanted, feel bad, immediately fix their circumstance to be happy, and let the cycle repeat itself. I really screwed that up with characters like Lorenzo, and even back to Mouse Kaboom.

As for the deer. Well, erm, I'm really sorry about that. It's just that well, what I'm most comfortable with. It's something that I consider having fun doing. I'm really sorry if that creeps you out. I promise I'll never go anywhere near lizard tits ever again. I don't want to be a creep to you guys, so if you see me going towards that line again, slap me in the face, okay?

(Also, hit me if I keep typing about myself over and over again. I want to stop that habit too)

I'm actually quite thankful that we can have these talks. Although I'm not the best at interesting stories, I'm glad to be told if I'm doing something wrong. After all, in the end, this is still all just for fun. ^^

edited 1st Jul '13 10:52:32 PM by Tatsumar

Deer
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
thestonedog78 Princess Warlock from from deep space Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Princess Warlock
#137120: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:55:05 PM

im glade that went well grin

They can't for the life of them understand why nobody liked being ruled by a group of manic depressive demigods - 4chan
eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#137121: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:55:17 PM

he's like frosty the snowman

only with blood instead of snow

rockmanx Since: Jun, 2011
#137122: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:56:51 PM

bloody the snowman

killer name.

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#137124: Jul 1st 2013 at 10:59:08 PM

that implies someone hurt him

that's your blood

Trip Since: Mar, 2012

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