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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#479227: Feb 4th 2016 at 10:56:27 PM

Shaddap, I need the XP. Gotta do every possible permutation of every conversation, even if I have to save scum. Otherwise I haven't really played the game.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
LatverianBadger Calamity is a housewife from gacha hell Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Calamity is a housewife
#479228: Feb 4th 2016 at 10:58:04 PM

Wow the RP crew is really going to shit right now.

"Shake the dust." - Anis Mojgani
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#479229: Feb 4th 2016 at 10:59:55 PM

It's.

Actually starting to poison my enjoyment of the RP, if I'm honest.

I keep trying and trying to get gears turning in some direction but it just keeps failing.

I mean yeah Dot is doing a horrific job because she's really bad at this.

But the never-ending negativity train is really starting to exhaust me.

Urgh.

Rivux same old me from [a jump to the sky turns to a rider kick] Since: Aug, 2010
same old me
#479230: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:00:14 PM

make it stop

mario is red, i am green, i try my best, but everyone's mean
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#479231: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:01:50 PM

Hhh bottompaged.

LatverianBadger Calamity is a housewife from gacha hell Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Calamity is a housewife
#479232: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:03:17 PM

(my avatar = Noel reacting to all this)

@Ram: Unfortunately, not much can be done about this unless the other players want to change tunes.

It's really just what the other guys wanna do with their characters.

"Shake the dust." - Anis Mojgani
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#479233: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:03:24 PM

ionno i'm enjoying this

it'll make the actual moment when everyone's not at everyone else's throats extra satisfying

nothing wrong with a good friendship strangling once in a while

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#479234: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:04:25 PM

Trying to figure out the best way to dip my toes back into the RP.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#479235: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:05:11 PM

It's just.

I don't know if other people really like it.

But it's legitimately making me dislike posting.

It's pushing me down a direction I really, really, really hate going.

And if I want to not have Dot be made of teflon I have to keep going.

But it's agonizingly unfun.

LatverianBadger Calamity is a housewife from gacha hell Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Calamity is a housewife
#479236: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:07:30 PM

If anything, you can cease involving your character in the situation if you don't enjoy it.

"Shake the dust." - Anis Mojgani
Rivux same old me from [a jump to the sky turns to a rider kick] Since: Aug, 2010
same old me
#479237: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:07:49 PM

hey i'm right there with you ram

i honestly don't really like it either

i don't really like trying to post in those sorta situations at all if i can help it

mario is red, i am green, i try my best, but everyone's mean
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#479238: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:09:00 PM

Well I could but then I'd be cutting myself off from everything that's happening.

Which is.

Bad juju.

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#479239: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:09:57 PM

There's not anything to be done about this unless we all abruptly decide to write "by the way they're suddenly all besties now". I know I sure as hell don't want to.

So you can do what probably everyone else is doing and try to gradually fix the situation via writing your way towards a better team dynamic.

LatverianBadger Calamity is a housewife from gacha hell Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Calamity is a housewife
#479240: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:10:10 PM

Well, I don't see any other alternatives dude. It's up to you.

"Shake the dust." - Anis Mojgani
ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#479241: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:12:23 PM

Okay, "GM" post because I've had a few people chat to me about this and I think I'm enough of a theoretically neutral person on this issue to try and supervise a solution, I dunno.

Incoming, just letting people know that I'm here while I figure out what to write.

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#479242: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:12:28 PM

Also you know this is a really good turning point, right? A confrontation has finally been forced. Use this to your advantage.

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#479243: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:12:44 PM

I don't want any sudden friendship stuff.

That'd be hella dumb.

It's just that whatever I do goes absolutely nowhere and it feels like I'm kinda wasting my effort.

There isn't any gradual improvement here, is the thing, and it's super draining.

Iunno.

I'm not expecting some big sweeping change or anything.

My enjoyment's starting to suffer and that's about it.

foxmccloud4387 Since: Mar, 2011
#479244: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:12:55 PM

It's also poisoning my experience in the city section of the RP.

This constant spiraling isn't making it fun to post as Archer anymore.

It feels like I have to react more towards these individual reactions rather than the ongoings of the plot itself, and is preventing me from actually focusing on the city plot proper.

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#479245: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:16:16 PM

Yes but this is also the worst its ever been, meaning this is pretty much the point where it can start to be fixed. Writing humps or whatever they're called, and all that. I've been waiting for a chance for this for weeks guys, don't duck out now.

ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#479246: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:33:09 PM

I think, for a few people, there is a feeling that the animosity can get a little over the top, and that it feels like it takes up an overly-large part of the RP.

Like, I do not want to stop anyone from rping the way they want to rp, and to an extent I think this is a difference in rping philosophy.

Think of it like the theoretical introvert vs extrovert.

Some people gain energy from this conflict. Other people find it draining, and both just feel natural to the people who feel this way.

This is perhaps something that cannot be simply "resolved", just addressed so people can come to a compromise and not stew over things to no benefit.

But reaching this compromise is another thing.

I think the biggest issue amongst those who find it tiring is something that Fox just identified. If one person has a problem, then everyone has a problem, and the interaction stops being about the plot, and starts circling around the characters who have a problem. And for many people this isn't fun because sure they're fine with disagreements, but they want it to feel like it's going somewhere and they don't want things to revolve around those disagreements.

On the other hand, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong about interaction coming out of disagreements between characters. I in fact, I'll let you all in on a Plot-GM secret, I want there to be conflict. Even unresolved conflict, perhaps.

But there is a difference between conflict that feels natural, and feels like it will come to a conclusion, and conflict that doesn't seem to go anywhere and serves no purpose beyond for the sake of conflict itself. Even to the point of getting in the way of character interaction.

Take Steph. She only just knows the party. It might be in character for Cloud to jump at Dot and try to beat her up, and it is a dramatic moment, but it also means that if Steph is to remain in character she's going to avoid Cloud forever now.

Please note I'm not saying that this was how it was intended, nor even that's how it is, I'm just trying to explore the different viewpoints.

Although the Steph example is an actual thing that Space has given me permission to tell you all about.

Like, I do not fault anyone for thinking that this was not the "low point" and that this would simply continue without stopping. Because this is a collaborative effort and we can't read each other's minds and one person's "this is the low point" is another's "how much longer is it going to go on for".

Moving forward, I do think the solution is for now to be a turning point of sorts. Where perhaps the teamwork does start to get better, where people realise they've made mistakes and that you shouldn't kill people/"ignore the hobo".

This way you get the character interaction and development, and hopefully the fighting stops being so ubiquitous.

And you already seem to be doing this.

But I could be wrong.

But this is a problem that needs to be addressed because it is impacting on people's enjoyment of the game. And handling it poorly could negatively impact on other people's enjoyment of the game. Pretending it's not a problem won't work, and neither will stewing over it with no productive outcome. I just hope we can come to a compromise where all parties are satisfied.

edited 4th Feb '16 11:37:45 PM by ThanatoSeraph

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#479247: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:39:18 PM

This is a good post and I think pretty much sums things up so I'll just throw in my take on things:

Unlike some of you, I don't particularly mind the constant bickering, because it's fun to read. Like most of you, however, I do think it's something we should move forward through, since a plot where everyone hates each other at the beginning and then hates each other at the end but also killed a thing isn't really all that satisfying.

I dunno about everyone else, but I figure the best way to kick off an actual "team therapy session" or whatever would be on the tail end of an argument. I was actually kind of hoping for something like this last week but then things stalled a bit and then stuff happened in the plot.

This, however, is a golden opportunity for all that, and I'm kind of surprised nobody else has noticed or sees the same opportunity, since the way things have been going I'd have figured a breaking point was needed anyway.

That's what I'm doing with it, at any rate. Maybe everyone else was going for a different approach and actually I need to go look for my meds so I'll type the other half of this later whoops

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#479248: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:51:00 PM

I guess what's gotten so rankled is that I kept trying to have Dot spark something by being a doof a few times with no one taking the bait.

And as such I've gradually gotten more and more blatant culminating in Dot daring people to kill her, which I legitimately wasn't expecting anyone to do.

But now that everyone's seen it and everyone knows it's not going to stay static and things'll start shifting.

However quickly, slowly, painfully, smoothly, who knows.

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#479249: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:52:55 PM

i forgot what i was going to say and my stomach is killing me so i might vanish for a bit soon

but you seem to have accidentally forgotten half a sentence?

But now that everyone's seen it and everyone knows it's not going to stay static and things'll start shifting.

Not sure what you're trying to say here

other than that, yeah, i don't think anyone is actually insisting we continue to stop in the middle of fights to argue about he said she said whether we enjoy watching it or not, we're just going about remedying this in wildly different ways

edited 4th Feb '16 11:53:33 PM by WonderSquid

foxmccloud4387 Since: Mar, 2011
#479250: Feb 4th 2016 at 11:53:36 PM

To be honest, that approach seems a bit railroaded.

I wouldn't expect every character to just start making up, the way each of them reacts differently.

The way I'm playing Archer, he actually has no IC reason to patch things with the rest of the group. He's making plans already to materialize when the group needs his strength, and not interact with the group otherwise.

At this point, in-character, Archer's done. It's an unfortunate conclusion for me, but that's where his character's led him.

edited 4th Feb '16 11:54:27 PM by foxmccloud4387


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