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ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#478976: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:24:01 PM

madoka did that with the cute schtick tho

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#478977: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:27:18 PM

old animu is much better than new animu because back then animu artists at least dared to be creative and it did not all look the same

compare this to this

those two series are only like four years apart

also the fanservice is disgusting and is one of the things that puts me off from the entire genre

edited 4th Feb '16 12:28:35 PM by WackyPancake

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#478978: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:32:12 PM

styles change tho

that's like

common in everything

using american cartoons

everything used to look like scooby doo

now everything either looks like adventure time or family guy

there's no inbetween

edited 4th Feb '16 12:32:45 PM by ChrissieMcNapkins

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#478979: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:40:54 PM

yeah and that too is a bad thing

i hate the whole "adventure time style" trend in western animation, i think it looks ugly and unappealing

but even if there really are some trends in western animation it really is not nearly as bad as anime, where the style has more or less stagnated for decades, to the point where the rare series that dare to break the shiny-eyed moeblob mold (panty and stocking, jojo) immediately stand out because of that

i don't know why anime became like that but it kind of bothers me

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#478980: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:44:09 PM

i feel like you keep focusing on the negative cause the moeblob style isnt THAT prevalent outside of the usual Visual Novel adaption

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#478981: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:47:08 PM

i would just say cartoons in general tend to be worse than non-cartoons

but in no way do i see japan being worse than western animation

i would put them about on par, shows like family guy are every bit as awful as whatever moeshit they're coming up with

american cartoons just tend forgo the whole stupid cutesy stuff and try to be pointlessly shocking for no reason instead

its an apples and oranges situation

Imca (Veteran)
#478982: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:49:19 PM

Other way around for me, I find animation to normal be better then non anmiation.

Then again most of our non animation was shit.....

Maybe it's diffrent in Amercia.

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#478983: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:56:05 PM

okay so im bored so i gonna go find some currently airing shows

and see if they have a moeblob artsyle

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Imca (Veteran)
#478984: Feb 4th 2016 at 12:57:22 PM

I can tell you right now quite a few dont, I am watching them

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#478985: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:00:15 PM

oh right you live there

was gonna do that cause like i said at the top of the page

youre really only gonna find the moeblob artstyle if you look for it

or watch anything by Kyo Ani

who specify in moeblob

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Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#478986: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:01:56 PM

there was actually a panel about this sort of thing the last time I went to Otakon, how anime is basically broken down into prepackaged ideas that creators are then told to work with because testing shows that it sells. Unfortunately moeblob is what sells currently.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#478987: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:02:39 PM

i don't know why am i engaging in a deep discussion about cartoon art-styles with you, but fuck it, let's do this

when i say most anime is "moeblobby" i don't mean it all looks exactly the same, of course some anime are more moeblobby than others

however the vast majority of anime does follow a general pattern which they dare not deviate too much from, you know: shiny large eyes, tiny noses, purposefully choppy movement, stock facial expressions (the sweat drop)... the wiki helpfully calls this Generic Cuteness, and it has been going on since at least the late 80s

this is what bothers me, i find it odd an entire medium could evolve like this, and it's not really a good thing

i'm not saying western animation is superior to anime (that's a retarded argument), however, it usually is more creative, since it doesn't have a "set" art-style like anime does

anime used to be more diverse early in it's run, so i don't know what happened there

i'm not saying the classic anime style is necessarily bad, but it wouldn't hurt to spice things up a little y'know

also get rid of the fanservice, it's gross

and now that i've sperged about children's cartoons enough, i rest my case

edited 4th Feb '16 1:05:41 PM by WackyPancake

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Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#478988: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:03:08 PM

madoka's entire schtick was a bait and switch because it was the first (magical girl) show to do that and it actually caught everyone off guard

plus there were very vague hints of a darker nature, as well as it took more than an episode to establish this was a different show

and although i procrastinated on watching it forever it seems like Neon Genesis Shinjibitcheon is similar, in appearing to be standard "mecha protagonist is a weak bitch but dont worry he'll stop being a weak bitch" before suddenly "-screams externally-"

and they're both critically acclaimed

problem is too many shows try to emulate this

and now it went from "fuckin mindblowing" to at best a pleasant surprise, and at worst it's basically saying "we didnt have the balls to show what we really wanted to create at first, we just wanted to hook some form of audience

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#478989: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:16:38 PM

im confused because that generic cuteness thing has, like you said, been around since the 80s

but anime looked generally the same since then

80s anime looked alike, 90s anime looked alike, 2000s anime looked alike, and most anime have that same "generic cuteness" going on

anime isnt as diverse as you think

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#478990: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:19:50 PM

no, no, that's exactly what i'm trying to say

anime is not diverse enough, it is too samey, and i don't really like that

it wasn't like that during the 60s and 70s so i don't know what happened to make it like that

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#478991: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:22:59 PM

wacky i agree with you but my stomach hurts so i dont feel like contributing to the conversation

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Imca (Veteran)
#478992: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:23:36 PM

Personaly, the similar artstyle is a reason I like the medium, the consistency is nice, and it prevents there from being a series I wanted to like but could not....

Well at least until Moeblob, I can't stand madoka for that reason, even if I like nearly every thing else.

Contrarily, that's a big problem I have with western animation, too many series I enjoy the content of but can't stand the art.

Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#478993: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:23:49 PM

random rant since trip mentioned evangelion and I feel like being a mech nerd.

What Evangelion did is nothing new believe it or not, hell Asuka is basically a female version of Tetsuya Tsurugi from Great Mazinger. And the idea of the giant robot actually being for a darker purpose wasn't really that new either, though maybe the circumstances were a bit different since Mazinger Z was built only to help the hero's grand father take over the world. The old man just died before he and the main villain could have a throw down for who got to be king

and the machines themselves actually being potentially malevolent abominations, and it's bullshit if you try to say they aren't, We should all know what those things were by now, first came around in Getter Robo where the Shin Getter decided 'I don't like you' and proceeded to eat one of its pilots and integrate the poor sap's face into its metal skin.

Eva just brought alot of the pre-existing insanity and destructive elements into one show and let it blend.

edited 4th Feb '16 1:24:27 PM by Bcom

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#478994: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:24:13 PM

well i think its probably the whole like

Follow the Leader stuff

"this thing sells, we gotta do this thing"

which isn't necessarily an anime only problem, but i feel it is a large part of it

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ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#478996: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:25:13 PM

wait what

anime looked the same during the 60s and 70s too

i hate to use this but it's the best thing i could find

from the 60's to the early 80s

for the 60s and (what i assume to be) the 70s, its totally similar

i dont know why that's a bad thing though

edited 4th Feb '16 1:25:43 PM by ChrissieMcNapkins

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Imca (Veteran)
#478997: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:25:36 PM

That's also a video game problem Space, happens any time the money comes from sales instead of adds.

edited 4th Feb '16 1:25:57 PM by Imca

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#478998: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:26:37 PM

wasnt evangelion just gunbuster with a new set of paint for a few episodes

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Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#478999: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:28:25 PM

On some level I might say yes, in that both shows are sorta like super robots in a real robot setting.

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#479000: Feb 4th 2016 at 1:28:37 PM

i don't really agree that western animation is more interesting, especially with the rise of really low effort flash animation that's just used because its cheaper to produce (same applies to some anime, too)

and that's assuming the show isn't taking the south park approach and not giving a shit about how the show looks at all

but this is too subjective and silly to really be worth getting into, i think


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