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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477476: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:08:42 AM

But I want to go back to being the Doctor.

Waaaaaah.

But yeah, Gracia's gotta get into the RP some day.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477477: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:16:52 AM

norm you dingus i am trying to start a speculation debate with you

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477478: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:21:25 AM

Right yes, SPECLUATION FOR EVERYOEN.

Well, Gracia would start out from scratch again, which means she's the same Gracia that sat quietly and waited for a servitor to blow her brains out. And without those in the room to give her self-confidence and to deliver 600 kilo-tons of fuck you into Slaanesh's face, daemon incursions would be way more frequent.

She'd retain her odd way of naming things, like calling soldiers "guns". She's pretty much dropped this as she's noticed it pisses people off and that she's the only one that does it. Cultural humiliation, yay.

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477479: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:24:56 AM

vote's on Cole then

until Gracia inevitably drives him mad with a slip-up or two, forcing the other two to kill him, which would probably leave Gracia in not-great shape as well

making Cloud the last one standing to act as the level-headed one

victory for me

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477481: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:32:51 AM

All it means is that he's the Alpha peasant.

Which in and of itself says something considering the opposite was true previously and even other peasants considered him a peasant.

He's still higher in peasant-tiers than Cole and Gracia, who are dirty filthy mages that God has demanded must die.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477482: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:37:06 AM

Does Cole have Gracia's sense of internalised helplessness?

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477483: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:43:11 AM

Nope. I can actually explain his deal if you're not worried about Dragon Age Inquisition spoilers.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477484: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:44:31 AM

I'm still playing through Origins.

But it'll be a while before I can get Inquisition.

I don't mind a few character spoilers.

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477485: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:54:12 AM

Cole is technically two things, a spirit of compassion that crossed through into the real world voluntarily and thus retained its sanity, and a mage boy that it was drawn to and crossed over for in the first place. The real Cole was a hedge mage they locked up in a room and forgot he was there, causing him to gradually starve to death over the next several days. Since while a lot of templars are kind of abusive assholes they weren't actually supposed to accidentally starve their charges to death out of negligence, they covered the whole thing up. Whoops. Fact remains that there was still a starving child calling for help for days on end, and said aforementioned compassion spirit crossed through to try and help him. Except spirits of compassion are really weak, and all it could do was hold his hand and comfort him as he died, and then subsume his identity (likely on accident).

So Cole is technically more real than most spirits and his whole storyline revolves around making him more human or more like a spirit, but because he's still a spirit of compassion that also happens to be a boy, he's innately attracted to pain and fear and hurt and repressed unhappiness and all those lovely things and is compelled to help soothe it as is his nature. He wants to help.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477486: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:55:26 AM

That's... really fascinating.

Ahahahaha Gracia and her bizarre comfort from confinement triggering him.

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477487: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:59:01 AM

More than she realises. Usually it's him saying the exact thing that hurts the most and was buried the deepest. He's never been on the receiving end of it before. And Gracia can't tell him the right things to make it better and then make him forget.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477488: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:00:47 AM

Just two different kinds of crazy, drawing completely different ideas from a single circumstance.

Have Gracia and Cole been acquainted properly before?

edited 25th Jan '16 2:01:17 AM by SR3NORMANDY

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477489: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:06:28 AM

I don't think so.

Also there's the bit where he kinda sucks at his job, sort of?

He's a spirit, and spirits just kind of are. They can't actually help the problem, per se. If you blame yourself for so-and-so's death, he'll know to say "it wasn't your fault" and then leave. They won't remember him, but they'll remember they suddenly feel less guilty about this thing and go about their business.

But imagine... fuck it, Cloud. "It's not your fault." "-Sudden vivid painful 'nam flashbacks since he just dragged that shit up again-" "you're safe here and they're dead" "all my friends are also dead and i hate myself", so on and so forth.

Basically people are complicated and spirits don't really understand people or understand complicated, and Cole, now that he's sort of both, has a rather difficult job figuring out how to people in general, and also adjusting to the fact that now he's complicated too. The result is rather hit-or-miss.

edited 25th Jan '16 2:09:00 AM by WonderSquid

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477490: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:08:15 AM

That's really neat.

Cole can get even by talking about how great the Inquisitor is, though.

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477491: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:10:43 AM

Oh shit I forgot he's literally a part of a thing called The Inquisition.

Also the entire time I've been worried about being accused of ripping him off since so many of RP!Cloud's behaviours are strikingly similar to Cole.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477492: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:15:22 AM

I think out of the three nutcases, they're different enough in their own special ways.

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477493: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:23:54 AM

Well yeah, but they're also socially stunted pasty malnourished blond folk with a thing for knives that absolutely positively need to help as a vital part of who they are because what else is there to existing and both grappling with a merged identity that are still familiarising themselves with concepts like "eating food" and "changing clothes" and "talking with your mouth hole" and might turn on you if they decide you're a terrible enough person but until then will take an inordinate amount of abuse from a wide variety of sources that they really ought not to because it's all they know how to do and have kind of a Thing about being locked up and forgotten.

They even look somewhat alike.

edited 25th Jan '16 2:24:32 AM by WonderSquid

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477494: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:25:58 AM

Meh.

I'm the guy that accidentally made a cyberpunk Zack girl.

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477495: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:27:22 AM

I thought you did that on purpose.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#477496: Jan 25th 2016 at 2:34:06 AM

I had the plan from the start that Gracia had a friend who was a better psyker who kept her from being an unsalvageable wreck and explained why she even survived attempts to be sanctioned.

And then I decided that she was this slick, confident late teen named Morgo (with a first name only you know) who at first couldn't stand the sobbing mess she had to share a cage with, but eventually came to care for. And every so often I'd add more details until I realised she was very close to being Zack.

I could play it off as being intentional, but eh.

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Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#477497: Jan 25th 2016 at 4:15:22 AM

man i shoould bring sooz into the rp

with all these Speculations though i'd have to reaaally consider how different she'd be

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#477498: Jan 25th 2016 at 5:41:41 AM

from Minnesota rather than wisconsin

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Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
whatever he can
#477499: Jan 25th 2016 at 5:42:17 AM

has four fingers instead of five

dead devotion
thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#477500: Jan 25th 2016 at 5:45:33 AM

dont be ridiculous

three

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