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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#477326: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:38:39 PM

Imma dump some Star Wars on you folks.

Kylo Ren is a complete loser with delusions of grandeur.

He receives some training from an old wise Force user.

He has a confrontation with his father.

And he gets mindfucked, and subsequently beaten to shit by a superior Force user.

And now he's going off to complete his training with an older Force user so that he can beat the person that beat him.

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Trip Since: Mar, 2012
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#477328: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:39:20 PM

Prreeeetttyyy sure that's the point.

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#477329: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:41:15 PM

welcome to last month jam

glad to have you

edited 23rd Jan '16 8:41:25 PM by ChrissieMcNapkins

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477330: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:41:16 PM

Pokemon would be next to impossible because each Pokemon is essentially its own character and the whole thing would be a clusterfuck by the second badge. You know what happens to plots with too many characters in them.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#477331: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:41:33 PM

Ram.

You are missing something.

Something about him that I'm trying to say.

And its not what you're thinking right now.

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Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#477332: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:42:27 PM

im sure i could handle 450+ characters

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#477333: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:44:13 PM

If it's a reference to something then I assure you I have no clue what it's supposed to be.

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#477334: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:46:33 PM

i reread it

and

okay

okay

i think im thinking what youre thinking

sorta

maybe

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#477335: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:53:08 PM

But its not a reference at all.

Kylo Ren is already in the underdog roll

...To the protagonist.

The next movie is most likely going to Focus on Rey's formal training.

But. Rey is already awesome enough to apparently beat a skilled Sith.

So we don't care if she gets trained, she's just gonna be more awesome.

But when Ren gets trained and comes back to beat Rey, that is what people will care about.

Kylo Ren is the protagonist.

edited 23rd Jan '16 9:01:26 PM by Azure

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#477336: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:53:19 PM

Literally the only thing that springs to mind is some sort of Luke parallel, which doesn't really work because Luke never had delusions of grandeur.

edited 23rd Jan '16 8:56:26 PM by ramuf

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#477337: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:54:00 PM

is some of that spoilers jam

cause i think one line of that is spoilers

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#477338: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:54:35 PM

Luke wanted to go off to war because he thought it would be cool.

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Trip Since: Mar, 2012
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#477340: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:55:03 PM

OOP TIME TO LEAVE THE THREAD FOR A BIT

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#477341: Jan 23rd 2016 at 8:58:17 PM

Wasn't quick enough to edit before you posted again.

The big problem with that is that, by definition, the story revolves around the protagonist.

And that's just not a thing for him.

Like, at all.

He doesn't get that kind of screentime.

Finn, Poe, and Rey get that kind of attention, but he just doesn't. He's not the focus of the story.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#477342: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:01:57 PM

See Ram, now you're catching on.

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#477343: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:03:09 PM

I dunno how I'm catching on if I'm directly disputing what you said.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#477344: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:03:44 PM

But you're not.

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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#477345: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:05:55 PM

The thing about Rey's growing potential is that the Force isn't something that training really affects. Forget the prequels and such, in the original trilogy Luke received very little actual training, and indeed Yoda told him his true test was facing down Vader. Trial by fire. And indeed, even before that the Force interceded and guided Luke to take the shot to blow up the Death Star. I don't understand why people chuck such bitchfits over Rey being able to defeat a wounded Kylo with that same power behind her. Focus, patience, faith and discipline were all Yoda wanted Luke to take to heart - he never needed real training to use the powers themselves, just refinement. Rey is unrefined, just as he was. It's just that her needs were much more pressing and thus the Force called upon her while she had much less to go off.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#477346: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:08:27 PM

You said Kylo Ren has a protagonist role and I said he didn't.

Unless I'm missing something huge that seems like a contradiction.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#477347: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:11:10 PM

Also, another reason why Rey was able to call upon the Force to a greater extent than Luke could have at the same age - she's patient. She's methodical. She's perceptive. She's reflective. She never had big dreams or ambitions like Luke. The Force comes to those with true confidence, patience and disipline - something that comes easier to Rey than to Luke.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#477348: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:17:12 PM

the poster below me is a traitor, do not believe his lies

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#477349: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:25:40 PM

@Ram:Yes.

@Norm:So forget the force mumbo jumbo for a sec, because honestly the Force is just applied phelobtinum. Its just a thing we accept as being there, like magic or energon. What I'm trying to say is for the sake of drama, the story, thematics, Kylo Ren is not a threat to Rey. And now must go off and train in order to reach that level, when he should have been there from the start.

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#477350: Jan 23rd 2016 at 9:26:17 PM

That's honestly kind of frustrating.


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