the one thing that seems questionable to me is that frisk is only the eighth human to fall into the underground
i don't remember the timeline but it was supposedly 1000 years or so between the start of the human/monster war and the start of the game
are you telling me that in all that time no other kid has fallen into some hugeass hole in the ground
kids get into dumb shit all the time, that number should be way higher but it isn't because of the plot point with the barrier and the seven human souls i guess
edited 11th Dec '15 11:24:52 PM by HilarityEnsues
Oh that. Honestly its really hard to say, but personally I think its unlike Toby to over look a detail like that.
The best explanation I think of is that there's a lot of weird time bullshit going on in the background.
Specifically that after Flowey is born, he continuously reset the timeline and fucked around with it until he lost the power to do so, probably by the player coming in and unkowungly wresting control of the timeline from him.
PM box is Closed, Indefinitely Friend Code: 3368-4181-6850@Hil: there is that too, but I'm a little more forgiving toward that, because it doesn't really draw attention to itself, and the point is made that most people don't go climb the creepy haunted mansion
@Jam: see I tried to rationalise it as that but Flowey only came to being quite recently, and RESET doesn't let him go back to the beginning of time or anything
Pretty much all of the problems I have are about the timeline pre-Flowey, the things that are "set in stone" so to speak
Normally I'd just say. "Yeah that's just an oversight, it was pretty stupid" But its Undertale which makes me want to think that there's an actual answer out there.
But all I have is weird theory mongering. It might be one of those things that only Toby has the answer to and won't tell us.
Like the door he put in just to fuck with us.
PM box is Closed, Indefinitely Friend Code: 3368-4181-6850it's just surprising to me that I don't see anyone else talking about it at all I guess
and I guess I don't have the trust at you do, or rather, I feel like I can pick what the actual mystery stuff is supposed to be like Gaster
also that door has an actual reason IIRC if it's the one you're talking about
if you dodge all the backer names you get a hint that maybe one day toby will patch in a bonus boss against the dog, then again maybe not
i think i can kind of explain monsters not knowing what humans look like despite chara falling into the underground so recently
monsters appear to judge what a human is by at least some characteristics that aren't related to physical appearance. I say this because Asgore doesn't even consider the idea that you could be a human when you approach him on the genocide route. it's not just a metaphorical "you're so evil you aren't even human anymore" - you could make that argument for the comments sans makes about you - but Asgore is clearly confused on a much more basic level
given what a colossal douche Chara is, they probably just made their image of what a human is more confused than it already was
edited 11th Dec '15 11:49:59 PM by HilarityEnsues
haaaaaaaaaaaah i ain't getting in my critiques it's too late for that
mario is red, i am green, i try my best, but everyone's meanWell anyway, what Hil says is pretty good. Monsters can look like anything so identifying a person based solely on how they look is probably not a thing in the Underground.
Also to fully answer the question of how everything fits in the time line, we have to ask. How long is after Chara and Asriel die does A) The next human come along, and B) Flowey comes into being.
But its 2AM so I must sleep.
edited 12th Dec '15 12:03:00 AM by Azure
PM box is Closed, Indefinitely Friend Code: 3368-4181-6850Aaaaagh sorry, Persia and I were engaged in thermonuclear war.
Aaaand you're all gone.
What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?

it was not
i think my computer refuses to connect to the server
oh well
It's been a real pain that apparently this computer just doesn't like the home internet setup and will only work for some things
every other internet connection is fine but not this
so this might not be able to be a thing unfortunately