Luke got maybe a little over a week's training from Yoda, maybe a day with Obi Wan all up and some vague amount of Force Ghost training. He made his own lightsaber and made plenty of errors, and he's clearly distinct from the traditional Jedi philosophy. That's what I'm hoping Kylo Ren will do for the Sith philosophy, in his attempts to emulate it.
They've avoided calling him Sith, and I hope they keep doing that, because the Sith have been destroyed and Kylo Ren is basically as far as anyone can get to the old Sith ways - an imperfect one, but still deadly and unique.
What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?Well, the whole "different philosophy to Jedi"... depends, really. Like, if you look just at the OT, Luke as of Return of the Jedi seems fairly orthodox.
I also don't think you can actually place how much training Luke got from Yoda definitively, but I'm certain it was more than a week. I'd place it in the month range.
I think it is a good idea to avoid calling him Sith, but I wouldn't be opposed to a "revival" so to speak, as long as they handled it well. After all, it's a term with a lot of history behind it, every dark side user and their mother are going to call themselves Sith if they think it lends them credence.
@Jam: we know a vader fanboy
@Ram: No-one's saying you have to get involved with something you don't want to.
However, it's one thing to not get involved with something, and it's another to avoid attempts of interaction with you and then make -comments- about how no-one's interacting with you.
Like, I get that it's frustrating but there's sort of a choice here.
edited 6th Nov '15 4:48:11 PM by ThanatoSeraph
I also tried to involve you in something I was doing twice yesterday and you didn't want anything to do with that, either.
I am trying to work with you on this, but you can't just talk about how you don't get any interaction and then claim that you don't want the kind of interaction that you're getting. That's the game. It's about interacting. You've gotta put forth effort on your part as well. If you don't actually like playing the game, write a novel. You've got a setting for it, you just don't seem very eager to, for lack of a better word, "taint" it with certain outside factors. Do what you're gonna do.
I just figured that if it happened concurrently with the Bespin debacle as the editing suggests, then that would mean the Empire arrived on Cloud city, happily waited almost a month, and then captured Leia and Han and the rest to lure Luke out.
There's lulling the enemy into false security and then there's wasting valuable planet-subjugating time.
What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?@Norm: No but Luke left for Dagobah immediately from Hoth and ran into Yoda basically on the first day he landed
In that time:
-Han and Leia spent an undetermined but lengthy time in the asteroid belt as the empire searched for them
-They managed to avoid capture, the Empire hired bounty hunters from across the galaxy
-One of said bounty hunters follows them to Bespin, a journey undertaken at sublight speeds
-They meet up at Cloud City, chill for a bit
-The Empire happens
-They are captured and interrogated
-Then Luke shows up
I could be misremembering something though
True, I forgot they were stuck on sublight speed. Okay, I'll grant you a month.
Still, Luke didn't grow up in the temple, nor have the tenets of the Jedi drilled into him for his adolescence and there's got to be a substantial amount of the old Jedi dogma that he never learned.
With that in mind, both the Jedi and the Sith have the potential to reinvent themselves now that the force is "reawakening" after fifty something years of imbalance.
I still think they'll avoid referring to future darksiders as Sith, to preserve the meaning of Anakin's six episode journey, but I wouldn't object to it necessarily if they didn't.
What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?Nowhere have I ever, in any way, shape, or form, insinuated that I thought the thread was some sort of dirty, gross thing I wanted to keep away from my characters.
That is utterly baseless and I have never thought like that.
Please don't assume things like that. It does nothing but aggravate me and furthers no useful line of discussion.
I do not want to guilt anyone into anything. That's pointless and no one's going to enjoy it, least of all me.
You've heard what I've had to say about this before. You didn't like it then, and you're not going to like it now, either.
And you've heard what I've had to say before as well, which is, "this is what there is. you can either like it or not like it but you need to meet me halfway".
There's stuff that happened today, where you intentionally sit a thing out and then get mad when other people decide they want to do it and leave a snide comment in hyphens. And there's the stuff you do yesterday, where you say your characters are around, I respond in kind, and then you respond to that by continuing to say that they are around. What do you intend do accomplish? Was there something you wanted to do? I can't keep magically coming up with things to make stuff interesting for you, you need to meet me halfway. And if you are not willing to do that, there's really nothing I can do for you.
edited 6th Nov '15 5:06:31 PM by WonderSquid
I don't particularly care if you don't want to be part of the stuff I do Ram.
These OOC messages are honestly kinda mean and hurtful. And it sucks the fun out of things we do when someone we consider a friend is on the sidelines refusing to be involved and saying things like that.
Just say you don't want to be involved, and have your character do something else. Do literally anything else. Please.
edited 6th Nov '15 5:16:19 PM by Azure
PM box is Closed, Indefinitely Friend Code: 3368-4181-6850Sometimes you need to throw your characters outside your own comfort zone to get the creative sparks flying, Ram. And you don't do that nearly enough, and as a result your characters tend to have periods where they just stagnate. This attitude you have for the game is self-perpetuating, since it discourages others from interacting with your characters. You tend to spend a lot of time waiting for others to make the first move.
What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?@Ram: I think ultimately, I would just echo what Jam and Squid and Trip said.
I have no problems with you sitting out things you don't want to be involved in. That's your lookout, I wouldn't want to force you to do things you don't want to.
However, if people have left said opportunities open for you to interact, I don't really think it's fair to make -comments- about how you're being "passed over" or no-one's interacting with you. It's simply not true. People are trying.
If you don't want to take up those opportunities, like I said, that's your lookout.
Just please, keep in mind that works both ways, and you can't really complain not having interaction if you don't interact when opportunities present themselves.
edited 6th Nov '15 5:33:03 PM by ThanatoSeraph

Enjoy the pie, Space.
(Also, I don't think I can RP for a good while tonight due to RL events.)