@chris: lincoln wanted the slaves free but it would have alienated the slave states still in the union to free all of them
which is why the emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves in the confederate states, rather than all the slsves in america at the time
yeah it was what sealed the deal re: foreign support for the south not happening, there was a large antislave sentiment in the majority of europe
edited 30th Sep '15 1:32:22 PM by thespacephantom
UN JOUR JE SERAI DE RETOUR PRÈS DE TOIwell i still know more about the american civil war than you do of the spanish civil war
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."Everyone was racist honestly but it was a different sort of racism, even up into the sixties.
In the south they don't care how close you get as long as you're not equals, since they have a long history of personal house slaves and whatnot.
In the north they don't care how high you get as long as you don't live too close to them, because just to be clear there were very few people that weren't racist fucks back then.
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ooh lemme take this one
hold on gotta type
edited 30th Sep '15 1:32:49 PM by WonderSquid
Lincoln's overriding goal above all else was to preserve the Union. If that meant freeing the slaves he'd do it; if it meant keeping slavery he'd do it. Freeing the slaves had the effect of galvanizing public opinion in the North, undermining the South's economy even more by giving black slaves more incentive to disrupt (similar to how Sparta's enemies undercut them by freeing the helots), and making it near-impossible for the UK to intercede on the South's behalf
The damned queen and the relentless knight.i ace all my history tests
but then i forget everything
being forgetful sucks
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."It started with the First roosevelt to take office, Theodore aka 'Mr. Death had to take him in his sleep'.
He split the republican party when he formed the bull moose party which is what allowed the democrats to take office. after this the progressive republicans started moving over to the democrats because they didn't like the direction the current republican party was moving
also this is when Taft got his fat ass stuck in a bath tub
edited 30th Sep '15 1:38:27 PM by Bcom
So basically the Republicans used to be the "people's party", with most Democrats being the rich southern white land owners. The Republicans had sort of just shown up and were the new upstart party, with the Democrats going toe to toe with the Whigs, which I'm not even sure are a thing anymore, but if they are they're probably like Libertarians and nobody gives a shit about them anyway.
But because part of their platform was how deep government should be involved in the economy and whatnot, you started getting factions about how deep you wanted to go. The Democrats were still pretty much the Republicans of today up until that started changing around the Civil War. There were a lot of slow policy changes as people slowly moved away from ideas they didn't like and the Democrats picked them up, but it didn't really hit its stride though until Lyndon Johnson, for all his faults, was a Democrat but still made the Civil Rights movement part of his platform. A bunch of Rich Southern White Landowner Democrats (which was a lot) went "ew what is this liberal crap" and lost a lot of its voters to the other side. The Republican party then started consciously appealing to this (at the time) very large voter group, and things rapidly shift from there until the parties are what they are today.
And this. Forgot about FDR and Teddy.
edited 30th Sep '15 1:43:00 PM by WonderSquid
If it makes you feel better Wacky, alot of modern Spanish history I learned in No Spanish Civil War In 1936.
edited 30th Sep '15 2:02:29 PM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight.

all i know about the american civil war is:
-black people are slaves
-no black people are not slaves
PEW PEW PEW PEW BANG BANG BANG BOOM
-you lose, black people are not slaves
-kay
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."