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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#452751: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:27:21 PM

all i know about the american civil war is:

-black people are slaves

-no black people are not slaves

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-you lose, black people are not slaves

-kay

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
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#452752: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:28:39 PM

thats still more than they teach us in the us about spanish history so i will give you props for that at least

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ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#452753: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:28:54 PM

didnt Lincoln not want slaves free

but did it just to piss off the south

im wrong but it's something like that

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Imca (Veteran)
#452754: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:29:09 PM

Except, that is not how it happened at all.

There were slave states in the north as well, and the actual politics behind the buildup to the war are very complex.

The people that say the civil war was all about slavery are full of bullshit.

But so are those people who say slavery was not the cause.

Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
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#452755: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:30:36 PM

@chris: he only wanted to preserve the union initially

but after gettysburg i think he needed an edge politically over the south worldwide, so he denounced slavery

edited 30th Sep '15 1:30:43 PM by Boxen

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
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#452756: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:31:31 PM

@chris: lincoln wanted the slaves free but it would have alienated the slave states still in the union to free all of them

which is why the emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves in the confederate states, rather than all the slsves in america at the time

[up]yeah it was what sealed the deal re: foreign support for the south not happening, there was a large antislave sentiment in the majority of europe

edited 30th Sep '15 1:32:22 PM by thespacephantom

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Imca (Veteran)
#452757: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:31:58 PM

Question for Amercians.

Wasn't Lincon republician?

When did the republicians go from progressive to...

well what they are now?

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#452758: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:32:26 PM

well i still know more about the american civil war than you do of the spanish civil war

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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#452759: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:32:29 PM

Everyone was racist honestly but it was a different sort of racism, even up into the sixties.

In the south they don't care how close you get as long as you're not equals, since they have a long history of personal house slaves and whatnot.

In the north they don't care how high you get as long as you don't live too close to them, because just to be clear there were very few people that weren't racist fucks back then.

[up][up]ooh lemme take this one

hold on gotta type

edited 30th Sep '15 1:32:49 PM by WonderSquid

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#452760: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:32:45 PM

it happened during the late 19th to mid 20th century

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#452761: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:32:50 PM

In truth Slavery was just kind of a spark set off a powder keg of other problems.

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
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#452762: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:33:07 PM

@imca: around the time of the american civil rights movement...iirc??

sorry i read the answer to it at one point but i think i forgot it

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#452763: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:33:25 PM

Lincoln's overriding goal above all else was to preserve the Union. If that meant freeing the slaves he'd do it; if it meant keeping slavery he'd do it. Freeing the slaves had the effect of galvanizing public opinion in the North, undermining the South's economy even more by giving black slaves more incentive to disrupt (similar to how Sparta's enemies undercut them by freeing the helots), and making it near-impossible for the UK to intercede on the South's behalf

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Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
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#452764: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:34:58 PM

[up] basically my point but expanded

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
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#452765: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:35:23 PM

history is neat, i like these talks about history

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#452766: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:36:03 PM

i ace all my history tests

but then i forget everything

being forgetful sucks

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Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#452767: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:38:02 PM

It started with the First roosevelt to take office, Theodore aka 'Mr. Death had to take him in his sleep'.

He split the republican party when he formed the bull moose party which is what allowed the democrats to take office. after this the progressive republicans started moving over to the democrats because they didn't like the direction the current republican party was moving

also this is when Taft got his fat ass stuck in a bath tub

edited 30th Sep '15 1:38:27 PM by Bcom

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#452768: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:41:44 PM

So basically the Republicans used to be the "people's party", with most Democrats being the rich southern white land owners. The Republicans had sort of just shown up and were the new upstart party, with the Democrats going toe to toe with the Whigs, which I'm not even sure are a thing anymore, but if they are they're probably like Libertarians and nobody gives a shit about them anyway.

But because part of their platform was how deep government should be involved in the economy and whatnot, you started getting factions about how deep you wanted to go. The Democrats were still pretty much the Republicans of today up until that started changing around the Civil War. There were a lot of slow policy changes as people slowly moved away from ideas they didn't like and the Democrats picked them up, but it didn't really hit its stride though until Lyndon Johnson, for all his faults, was a Democrat but still made the Civil Rights movement part of his platform. A bunch of Rich Southern White Landowner Democrats (which was a lot) went "ew what is this liberal crap" and lost a lot of its voters to the other side. The Republican party then started consciously appealing to this (at the time) very large voter group, and things rapidly shift from there until the parties are what they are today.

[up]And this. Forgot about FDR and Teddy.

edited 30th Sep '15 1:43:00 PM by WonderSquid

Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#452769: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:44:19 PM

I think Herbert Hoover was the first republican candidate to ever use what we now call 'the southern strategy'

guy was running against a democratic catholic, and at the time the South pretty much hated anyone that wasn't protestant and white.

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#452770: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:54:27 PM

ITT:How America Constantly fucks itself.

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
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#452771: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:58:42 PM

Discussing politics and history when I'm away.

Sadness.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#452772: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:58:55 PM

If it makes you feel better Wacky, alot of modern Spanish history I learned in No Spanish Civil War In 1936.

edited 30th Sep '15 2:02:29 PM by megarockman

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Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
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#452773: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:59:57 PM

we could discuss modern political issues

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ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#452774: Sep 30th 2015 at 2:00:17 PM

i think on my birth is spanish independence day

or mexican

i forget

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
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#452775: Sep 30th 2015 at 2:02:48 PM

Modernity is less interesting than history.


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