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Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#448501: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:33:08 PM

(@Riv) ok then I retract my statement on that. That was my bad then

edited 11th Sep '15 10:33:20 PM by Bcom

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#448502: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:33:12 PM

Holy hell, dude, I did my best. This is what we came up with in P Ms.

Christ.

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#448503: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:33:15 PM

This was in fact our idea. Don't give Spaz shit.

GM-ing a plot with seventeen-plus player characters has very much been a pain in the ass for both of us, and we'd like a more manageable amount, at least for the remaining duration of our run.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:33:31 PM by MacDuffy

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#448504: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:33:29 PM

Fox, you'd better watch that uncooperative tone. We are trying to de-escalate this.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#448505: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:33:59 PM

Like

I get finding the sudden announcement a little worrying and feeling like it is authoritarian and whatnot.

I can sympathise with that.

But it also comes with the idea that this is very much discussable, and doing things like assuming Squid is lying about Duff/Riv's reasons doesn't help.

Please, this is being offered as a discussion.

Please discuss it instead of getting defensive/assuming Squid is lying/assuming Duffux are somehow not on board with this.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:35:07 PM by ThanatoSeraph

eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#448506: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:34:34 PM

Norm, that was a bit much. Don't talk to people like they're naughty children.

Imca (Veteran)
#448507: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:34:51 PM

I.... hate to say this, but even as some one who was previously playing two characters, I would be very open to this lowering the cast down to one character per player.

HOWEVER.

I would like to request if it is done, that it is made easier for people to switch out mid plot, because nothing sucks worse then feeling trapped in your choice.

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#448508: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:34:59 PM

No one's provided a solution because we've been pissed off.

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#448509: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:35:07 PM

i highly suggest everyone takes a breather for tonight, sleeps on it

and comes back tomorrow to talk it over more civily

UN JOUR JE SERAI DE RETOUR PRÈS DE TOI
eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#448510: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:35:20 PM

I never accused her of lying. I was concerned about misunderstands, as I didn't expect Riv and Duff to take the measures they clearly have taken.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#448511: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:35:25 PM

I agree with Pyro. Spaz is not out to get anyone, and she has spent this entire discussion just trying to invite suggestions and possible alternatives.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#448512: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:36:05 PM

@Ram: Then please try to calm down.

Getting pissed off doesn't help anyone.

It, in fact, makes people see things that aren't there, and prevents the actual discussion that is being offered.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:37:59 PM by ThanatoSeraph

foxmccloud4387 Since: Mar, 2011
#448513: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:36:40 PM

Alright, sure. Sorry about that - I guess I'm just frustrated over all of this.

I gotta take a breather.

eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#448514: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:37:23 PM

Do what space said, take a rest and resume in the morning.

Reading back will show that people got a bit bullheaded once the dust is settled.

I'm sure people are tired and such and this interferes with the skills you need to handle shit, and such.

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#448515: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:38:02 PM

Every single message I have posted has been inviting you guys to come up with other solutions. Instead of jumping on me and accusing me of staging a coup or something.

When have I not offered to negotiate this shit? Why would my consistent offer of a negotiation mean I won't negotiate? You are angry about this. I get it. I suppose I would be too.

None of this changes the fact that this may need to happen because the cast size is too large. Being angry at me will not affect this variable any.

I look forward to your contributions in the morning.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:40:22 PM by WonderSquid

ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#448516: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:38:13 PM

@Seer's post I missed before: Right, sorry about that. I think my overall point still stands though.

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#448517: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:38:18 PM

yeah, it's 12:30 at night, and later in some parts

if i know anything about rational discourse, it's that people get grumpy when it's late

talking about it tomorrow oughta work out better

UN JOUR JE SERAI DE RETOUR PRÈS DE TOI
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#448518: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:38:22 PM

You guys saw my post, right.

@Imca: I'm fine with any mid-plot switching, so long as it's not constantly happening with one person.

MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
(:
#448519: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:38:29 PM

Yeah, I agree that this warrants a sleeping-on. I think both sides are escalating unnecessarily and it's just devolving into an upset sniping match, and god knows that's never productive.

make it through this year if it kills you yet | 2001-2019
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#448520: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:39:03 PM

The tone in which this discussion has been couched has prevented any chance of reasonable discussion.

This is what I have been repeatedly saying.

If we need a break to cool off, then so be it.

eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#448521: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:40:12 PM

A fun fact on my earlier tangent, it's been found by studies that dealing with conflict earlier in the day is better, as your brain is allegedly more able to cope with it.

And in the morning, try to be as impartial as possible. Remember that this is in fact an Internet RP, not a matter of life and death. RP characters and rules cannot melt steel beams.

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#448522: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:41:10 PM

i just would like to say that

no matter what disagreements we have, i genuinely value all of you as friends

i think sometimes it's easy to lose sight of that, at least for me, so i'd just like to say it and make it clear both to everyone and myslef

UN JOUR JE SERAI DE RETOUR PRÈS DE TOI
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#448523: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:41:39 PM

Y'all motherfuckers made me typo.

Inexcusable.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#448524: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:41:40 PM

I agree with Mobile. This discussion was not executed well by its participants, myself included.

Really, it should have involved Riv and Duff from the onset.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:42:06 PM by SR3NORMANDY

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
Imca (Veteran)
#448525: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:42:09 PM

That was not even really about you Duff, although I may take the offer if we are lowered to one.

It is for future plots too if this becomes permanent, I do not mind a permanent one character per person limit.

I just do not feel any one should be traped so to speak, and thus request that if this is done, any GM try to account for possible swaps.

Even if they require the player to talk about it first, I just dont want to see a locked plot like Deluge, or some of the others.

With only one charecter.


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