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ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#447426: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:13:16 PM

For what it's worth, I actually sympathise with that feeling a fair bit. Prayer to saints does to me feel uncomfortably close to deification

But I also understand the reasoning behind it and the ideas that often seem to surround this concept are misrepresented

"Praying to Saints" is in itself misleading. Saints don't answer prayers. Rather, what you're supposed to be doing is asking that said saint, a person who showed themselves to be a great person in life, prays to God on your behalf. It's the same as asking other members of the clergy to pray for you, rather than praying to my mate Bill in aisle 3.

@Everyone: I actually find learning this stuff about you guys super interesting. Don't often get a chance to really ask about it or anything, because it often feels like you have to walk on eggshells/even talking about it can be confronting/annoying for some people, but yeah.

@Hil: Well, of course there's going to be good Churches even in the South. But yeah, I'm glad to hear you've had some good experiences at least.

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#447427: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:15:00 PM

i always found the protestant/catholic beef weird

the differences seem superficial at best to me - more worshipping the same thing in a slightly different way than anything else

neither involve any particularly odd departures from traditional christian doctrine like mormonism does

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#447428: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:15:20 PM

I imagine that like most people of my mold.

That being librul gaytheist.

I would find myself being disgusted by things like homosexuality being considered a mortal sin.

But for whatever reason, it just doesn't bother me.

It's one of those things that (some of) the clergy might think, but the laypeople probably don't think like that.

Or at least most of them. Probably.

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#447429: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:15:51 PM

oh i see

talk about religion rather than cave into my greedy, controlling demands

bakas..........

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#447430: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:15:51 PM

Some people say the homosexuality thing in the bible was for cleanliness purposes.

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MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#447431: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:16:11 PM

Oh, huh. Y'know, that's actually not so bad, put that way.

The catechism thing still sounds awful, mind, but it's not like Protestantism is any better about that.

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ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#447432: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:16:48 PM

love your neighbor unless he's a dude

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#447433: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:16:53 PM

@ram: i have got some bad news for you i think

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#447434: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:19:03 PM

I'm optimistic enough to have faith (ahurr) that public opinion is shifting across the board.

Slowly but surely.

Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#447435: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:19:22 PM

god wants all men to punch each other

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Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
whatever he can
#447436: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:19:34 PM

at the pace of a snail

dead devotion
ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#447437: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:19:57 PM

@Seer: Putting this here because it'll be lost in editing otherwise.

That's actually incorrect.

Homosexuality is not a mortal sin. Performing homosexual acts is. There is an important distinction to be made there.

With that said, yes that's something I take issue with myself, but the winds of change are blowing in that regard, very much so.

@Hil: Oh, there are differences. You have to go into more depth than layperson understanding though, which most people actually generally don't.

I could elaborate but I already feel like I'm juggling too much with my sickness-addled mind.

edited 7th Sep '15 7:21:37 PM by ThanatoSeraph

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#447438: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:20:52 PM

Well like.

That's not actually much better.

At least from my perspective.

edited 7th Sep '15 7:21:00 PM by ramuf

eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#447439: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:20:55 PM

see it's still punishing them for it

just in a roundabout way

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#447440: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:21:30 PM

instead of prattling about my art demands i will say this

my dad believes in god, but not the bible, as he says that "if you had the worlds most influential book in your hands, and you could change something to your belief, you absolutely would"

think about how fucking old the bible is and how it was originally written in an entirely different, olllld language that we dont fully understand

anyway draws pls

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#447441: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:22:34 PM

no one will draw

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#447442: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:25:47 PM

Draws.

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ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
ARE WA DARE DA
#447443: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:29:48 PM

@Trip: I'm sorry but that actually makes me livid (like not actually mad at anyone livid, but still kind of incensed in general), because this is such a major misconception.

Because so many, so so many people say that as if it's some great revelation and not as if the Church has said that for actual thousands of years.

As in "why are people struggling with Eden being metaphorical when it was being considered as such thousands of years ago"

This is part of what I hinted about before regarding "something something grr fundamentalists."

We do not worship the Bible. The Bible is not perfect. It is a book, a very useful book, perhaps the most important book in the world, but it is not God.

There is an Abrahamic religion that generally holds that their holy book is the transcription of God. That religion is Islam, not any major branch of Christianity or Judaism.

(Apologies to any Muslims reading this if it is misrepresenting their faith)

@Seeram: As I said, it's still problematic, but there's a very important distinction to be made, in part because it shows a shifting in values, and also because it's not just "your gay so we hate you go to hell". For starters as soon as you enter hate into the equation, that's explicitly not what you're supposed to do.

Kind of rambling here, not sure if coherent.

Of course it usually produces hate anyway so.

also @Box: actually really, honestly no

Like I get that it's frustrating and all, but it's honestly happening at a lightning pace compared to many historical changes.

edited 7th Sep '15 7:42:42 PM by ThanatoSeraph

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#447444: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:30:26 PM

@pyro: its cool

plus i don't want to catch your e-flu

eldritchseer all the loose ends from Cocytus Since: Mar, 2019
all the loose ends
#447445: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:31:28 PM

"you're gay, but that's fine. if you do gay things, however, BAM, ETERNAL PERDITION (unless you beg god for forgiveness)"

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#447446: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:32:39 PM

be the gayest person possible

then pray like hell on your deathbed

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#447447: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:33:09 PM

We do not worship the Bible. The Bible is not perfect.

I would be fuckin rich if I had a dollar for every time I'd heard otherwise. Go American evangelicalism.

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#447448: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:33:38 PM

voltaire was asked by a priest on his deathbed to renounce the devil

he said "my good man, now is not the time to be making enemies"

UN JOUR JE SERAI DE RETOUR PRÈS DE TOI
Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
whatever he can
#447449: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:33:54 PM

I understand that but it feels like it has been taking a while

I'm not saying it is slower than anything else

dead devotion
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#447450: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:38:09 PM

what ram said honestly

@jam: no motor skills


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