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Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
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#447251: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:04:52 PM

if it was then

a) it was an incredibly jarring shift in tone
b) it goes against the original play

@jam: who are you responding to

edited 7th Sep '15 4:05:18 PM by Boxen

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
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#447252: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:06:02 PM

No.

I'm saying that Shakespeare's plays also rely on their language in addition to plot and characters, something that has shifted in modern literature.

It's just as valid as modern literature; it's just that the zeitgeist moved against it.

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#447253: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:06:24 PM

Ram.

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#447254: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:11:32 PM

I agree with Ram on this point.

Can't have Shakespeare without the Shakespearean wit.

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#447255: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:13:54 PM

I'd say something dumb like 'shakespeare needs giant robots' but there's 8th MS team which is pretty much Romeo and Juliet with giant robots and placed in vietnam. with the usual 'war is hell' story.

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#447257: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:14:27 PM

fund it

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#447258: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:22:34 PM

See thing is a truly good story shouldn't need a gimmick, especially one that dates it as bad as Shakespear's language, which he used mostly to sneak in stuff like dirty jokes. On top of that Shakespear's just...boring.

The reason he's revered is because he was the first to do a lot of stuff.

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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#447259: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:26:43 PM

Shakesbeard was the greatest pirate to ever sail the seven seas you take that back Jam.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
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#447260: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:27:37 PM

It's not a gimmick. It's a convention of the medium he used. If those are gimmicks then literally every form of media ever is gimmicky.

And it's not as if his language is impenetrable. Yeah, it's stiff by our standards, but you can read it if you try. It's dated language, but the subjects of the plays themselves aren't so bizarre that we can't understand them.

Shakespeare also wasn't terribly original, either. He pretty much never made anything on his own, instead taking popular histories and stories and dramatizing them up. He wasn't the first to do much of anything.

He's famous because his works are actually deep, insightful, and thought-provoking. Of course, yes, there are dick jokes in there, but it just means you have to analyze it a little more vigorously to suss out the nuance.

In the end, if you don't like it, that's your prerogative, but that doesn't make them bad or unimportant.

edited 7th Sep '15 4:30:11 PM by ramuf

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#447261: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:33:36 PM

What Ram said. You don't have to like the Bard, but he practically invented Modern English

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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
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#447263: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:35:39 PM

I don't really have a problem with adapting the language of a story into something more modern if its written in a way that is notably different/possibly confusing to people today. You lose some nuances in the writing when you do this, but it makes it much easier to understand for some people. Besides, the original work and its adaptations are always going to exist.

...Basically what I'm saying is we should make all classical plays to be ridiculously hip. Have Romeo and Juliet talk about the dankest new meme that appeared on Reddit while a bard plays some dubstep in the background. Maybe have them angst about how shitty their lives are on their Facebook walls, too.

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#447264: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:36:43 PM

facebook is dated

use tumblr

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#447265: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:38:35 PM

Can I have a link to Battleworld?

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#447266: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:38:53 PM

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#447267: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:42:51 PM

I want all your heads.

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#447268: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:43:27 PM

I am going to henceforth declare that anything an everything pertaining to Shakespear be burned. And all those attempting to defend it to be hanged for three days by their tounges.

By my royal decree let it be done.

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Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
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#447269: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:43:52 PM

but you're not king

i am

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#447270: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:44:08 PM

I bite my thumb at thou!

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#447272: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:44:19 PM

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#447273: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:45:30 PM

u gon du gud

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