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WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#428351: Jul 3rd 2015 at 11:13:37 PM

Hey guys guess what I did.

Two years. It took me two years to do this. Gen IV is sloooooooooooooooooow.

WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#428353: Jul 3rd 2015 at 11:31:57 PM

Ooh, Gen IV hack. You don't see a lot of those.

ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
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#428354: Jul 3rd 2015 at 11:49:51 PM

More things, full spoilers, space/fox still please be here and read this:

I was surprised by how interesting I found assassin overall. That one thing in the last episodes about how he is a fictional hero made him shoot up in my interest exponentially, I really wish they actually explored that rather than just throwing it in. This ties back to the whole thing I've talked about where fate is mythology-themed rather than exploring mythology

archer and shirou were executed well overall. Initially I was annoyed by the fact that Shirou was doing a pretty poor job defending his ideals, especially so due to certain reasons but he finally pulled through with the brilliant stuff like "so what if it's a fake, so what if I based them on someone else, that doesn't make it worthless". I was fully ready to call bullshit on the archer arrows appearing out of nowhere and then my friend pointed out what archer's role as a counter guardian was again and I was actually gobsmacked by how well that worked and loved it

also ubw shirou led a happy and fulfilling life and never became as bitter as archer and you cannot convince me otherwise shut up

Lancer was a bro, even if he did vanish for most of the plot. Being lancer is suffering indeed. When he punched Shinji, my friend and I just looked at each other, grinning like fucking nothing in the world, and immediately watched it again.

Shinji was a shit, and while I think it was thematically appropriate that they went out of their way to save him, knowing what I do, I hated that Sakura's nursing him back to health, rather than staying the fuck away from him

rin was surprisingly alright, from her reputation as One Of The Ur Tsundere's I was expecting to hate her, but barring a few "bakabakabakas" she was pretty good and likeable. It really helps that Shirou actually gave it back a few times (like when he just closed the door in Rin's face, my friend and I lost it at that point), making it seem more equal, and more actually friendly than it could have been. That and of course she actually has a personality beyond "tsundere" so it works

related to the above, this may be because it was an adaptation of rin's route, but tbh rin looks like the best romantic partner for shirou. Saber seems more like a friend, and Sakura more like a sister, plus her lacking presence in general and it looking like it wouldn't really be an equal relationship

Now. Gilgamesh. I spent the majority of the story just waiting for him to show up and then he did and it was great and then That Episode happened and I was ready for him to get his shit wrecked. Then he shoved her heart into Shinji and went back to his smug old self while killing less children and he was entertaining to watch again, without losing the fact that I wanted Shirou to push his shit in

Ilya and Bahsahka: That one episode was cool and made me emotionally invested enough that it was painful watching them get their shit wrecked, but they did kind of vanish for most of the series. Kind of wish that one scene earlier in the series wasn't there though.

Caster's master I felt had potential but the execution felt a bit weird. Caster was a threatening villain, and had her shit together really well, but I feel like they misstepped a bit with the progression from tragic backstory to "I'm okay with committing mass murder on my own behest now"

overall, not one of the best things I've ever watched, but still solidly enjoyable

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#428355: Jul 3rd 2015 at 11:56:24 PM

assassin is sorely, sorely underutilized for sure

caster's master was something added wholesale i believe, his char didn't exist in the original vn

edited 3rd Jul '15 11:56:34 PM by thespacephantom

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ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
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#428356: Jul 3rd 2015 at 11:59:16 PM

Is that so? Huh, that's interesting. I wonder why they did that.

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#428357: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:01:37 AM

in the vn he was just mentioned in a one-off line like "oh he was a shithead so i killed him"

i have not seen him in the anime but probably it's to show how much of a shithead he was

i know in the like one time where caster does an internal narration she's like "i can't believe i am actually doing this, holy shit?" but she goes on to protect her dream/help it see reality/what have you (i forget the exact wording)

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ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
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#428358: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:03:04 AM

oh no I think there is a miscommunication here

there was her initial master who was indeed a shithead, this was shown, she killed him

then there was the latter guy, Shirou's teacher. I was talking about him

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#428359: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:06:26 AM

OHHH

ooh

he saved her life and she slowly super fell head over heels for him because he showed her kindness and got wrapped up in the holy grail war for someone he has only just met

by the end of it she had already gotten her wish, 'cause it was to be with him

he is actually one of the best chars in the vn i think but again i havenot actually seen the anime so i am not sure how they did on that front

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ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
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#428360: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:09:31 AM

they explained all that, but I found that in terms of the teacher's own motivations it was executed unconvincingly

that and I did not really think it made that much sense re: caster's portrayal in her doing all of those horrible things despite her leaving another master because he did horrible things, and her wish being fulfilled because she's with teach anyway, and teach not telling her to do any of those things

I get that she just wants to go home, but the show didn;t sell her to me as a tragic figure like it tried to, it felt a bit inconsistent

edited 4th Jul '15 12:10:11 AM by ThanatoSeraph

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#428361: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:11:35 AM

ooh

yes i see where you're coming from

this discussion would be better if i had actually seen the anime but i have only seen clips

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ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
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#428362: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:22:05 AM

yeah well I get the feeling I'd probably like the vn better, if only because adaptations are rarely better, and stuff might have been explained better, even ignoring Weird VN Prose and junk

but it sort of just happened like this:

Friend who I recommended Fate/Zero to: Hey look at this funny facebook picture I do not know what it is referring to

They made a series of it just recently

And then somehow we both decided to marathon the whole thing

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#428363: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:29:07 AM

sounds like a damn good time

why are we still in spoilers

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ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
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#428364: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:35:35 AM

It was pretty fun, yeah

I dunno habit I guess

edited 4th Jul '15 12:36:13 AM by ThanatoSeraph

ThanatoSeraph ARE WA DARE DA from The Land Down Under Since: Feb, 2012
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#428366: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:42:11 AM

i am working on it

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#428367: Jul 4th 2015 at 12:44:42 AM

eh

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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#428368: Jul 4th 2015 at 1:54:45 AM

Spaz, if you abort another Cole thing in the FG I swear to God.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#428369: Jul 4th 2015 at 2:11:27 AM

His dialogue is haaaaaaaaaard. I don't know whether or not to have him do his thing or to just ramble about irrelevant shit.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#428371: Jul 4th 2015 at 2:14:17 AM

Also I need to know about the character I'm interacting with to a degree because of what he does with the whole shuffling around in people's heads, and I'm not all that familiar with Charity.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#428372: Jul 4th 2015 at 2:16:59 AM

I have a whole backstory for people to discover whenever they want.

I can tell you details if you have questions.

edited 4th Jul '15 2:17:20 AM by SR3NORMANDY

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
WonderSquid Since: May, 2012
#428373: Jul 4th 2015 at 2:17:19 AM

I am ready to discover some then.

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#428375: Jul 4th 2015 at 2:23:50 AM

im awake at 5:23 am to watch some wrestling

let's fucking do this

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.

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