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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#426451: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:44:38 PM

No, I'm fairly certain that she's actually that old.

MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#426452: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:45:35 PM

Hrrrrrghhh, very sorry but I can't partake/mediate in the current debate because reasons, reasons being that I am friggin' exhausted and will be sleeping in roughly two hours.

I heard spritemaps mentioned, though, so I am briefly surfacing to my airhole to put these here. And fug, I still gotta make the forest.

Hokay, as you were. Please be civil.

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Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#426453: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:45:54 PM

Well Maybe fen ages way too slowly? I mean she's an jenovaish demonic super abomination.

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#426454: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:47:17 PM

The explanation Jam gave was that she got stuck in a time loop sort of thing.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#426455: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:47:24 PM

Basically what Bcom said.

Fen being 100+ was because of a joke post Spaz did a while back.

She is in her twenties.

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ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#426456: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:48:38 PM

oh

welp

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#426457: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:48:44 PM

I think I remember something about her being... 23?

So it's a 5 year age gap?

edited 28th Jun '15 6:49:18 PM by Lilqueendaisy

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#426458: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:51:51 PM

Let me say my piece.

I feel that it's somewhat rapey because Fen recognized that Luis was in a compromised state (his inability to lie) and then used that to get something she wanted from him.

Something that, given normal circumstances, he would be unlikely to provide.

It's a violation of consent.

I'd be willing to bet twenty bucks no one gives a shit about what I say about this, so I'll just end it with that.

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#426459: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:53:21 PM

Ram does have a good point.

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#426460: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:53:40 PM

hey daisy, would luis have been honest with fen in that situation even if Xine wasn't forcing him to tell the truth all the time.

he's your character so you should know him better than anyone

edited 28th Jun '15 6:53:55 PM by Bcom

Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#426461: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:54:49 PM

Yeah he would, Xine or no Xine.

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Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
whatever he can
#426462: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:56:21 PM

he was still pressured to divulge that information

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Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#426463: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:58:32 PM

yeah he was pressured, and that was wrong, but I just wanted to address the whole thing about 'would he have been honest regardless of having the truthful goat sphere'

Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#426464: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:59:09 PM

The woods are a quiet nobody likely to pop up and spoil the mood place.

And for anyone thinking about that obsession I will speak of another factor in it.

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Imca (Veteran)
#426465: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:59:24 PM

I gotta agree with Ramuf after hearing that.

And I was fine with the whole age diffrnece since it is a maturity, not biological issue.

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
bruhonetta
#426466: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:01:09 PM

Daisy, come on. You gotta admit that Luis is kinda obsessed with Fen.

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#426467: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:05:33 PM

They both want to be with each other.

They are both adults physically and mentally.

Fen didn't force anything out of Luis.

Will you guys please quit trying to twist this around?

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#426468: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:07:21 PM

Please don't dismiss people like that.

It is more constructive to explain why you think we're wrong instead of just telling us that we are.

edited 28th Jun '15 7:09:27 PM by ramuf

Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#426469: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:13:46 PM

How Spazz manages to write walls of text is beyond me.

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Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#426470: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:19:39 PM

Luis beats himself up a lot over stuff like not being able to do anything when she gets severely injured or having lingering thoughts that she's not into him because he's an annoying person.

Also he saw that side of her that was tired of taking care of everyone's problems. Which causes him to try to keep his problems from her and makes him beat himself up more for the second reason.

The love part of this is important too. Gives him a reason to hurt himself and feel bad unlike a lot of other people. :/

Just my thought. Also forgive me for double post.

edited 28th Jun '15 7:20:07 PM by Lilqueendaisy

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#426471: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:23:19 PM

I'm not dismissing people.

I just explained to you why you're wrong. Fen and Luis want to be with eachother. Fen and Luis are adults who can do what they want. Fen also didn't make Luis say anything he wouldn't have in the first place. Just because Luis couldn't lie doesn't mean he was doing something he didn't already want to.

If he didn't want to be with Fen he could have said so and it wouldn't have been a lie, and Fen would have respected that.

Really the whole scene was supposed to be kinda awkward and clumsy but calling it rape is blowing it way out of proportion. Fen did not hold Luis down and force him into something he didn't want.

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#426472: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:23:46 PM

To me, that makes it seem like he did that out of a sense of pressure.

Regardless of the fact that he would done it anyway (which I will admit I find a bit dubious), it is still taking advantage of someone in a vulnerable position.

She didn't do this before when he could have conceivably said otherwise. She chose now because she knew that he had no way of saying that he didn't love her.

I didn't say that it was rape, either, because it's not. It has the connotations of it, though.

It's opportunistic, and preying on someone in a compromised situation.

edited 28th Jun '15 7:26:21 PM by ramuf

SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#426473: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:25:53 PM

As the reigning champion of disconcerting relationships, I think this situation gets an okay from me. Not because it's the best example of a relationship, but because it's logical for the two characters.

Fen is sick to death of having Luis pine after her for basically a year now. Luis has never gotten over her. Fen finds a magical way to extract the truth and get a final answer out of him. She takes it - not the first time she's gone for a dubious magical shortcut. She finds what he honestly wants and decides to go along with it. A little erky-perky, but completely in-character and between two players who are fine with how the interaction is going.

What if there’s no better word than just not saying anything?
thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#426474: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:35:16 PM

well the fact that its logical or in character doesnt negate the fact that its making someone feel uncomfortable, which i think should be respected

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Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#426475: Jun 28th 2015 at 7:41:57 PM

hey ramuf I have a question: what do you want from this?

do you want to retcon the relationship out or just want jam to admit that this situation is creepy.

i'm not attacking you but knowing what the end goal is can help with reaching a compromise or something.


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