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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#290226: Jul 17th 2014 at 9:53:53 AM

1. It's not. There is a "not" there. I clearly say that it's not an issue.

2. Why would Fen or Archer or Ges have any reason to believe that he is consistently unable to be reasoned with when angry, beyond what they're seeing right now? When have they ever seen this before? When has Fen ever seen Roger angry? When has Fen interacted with an angry Roger? When has Fen ever seen or interacted with Roger period?

No one tried to explain Soul Gems or Grief to Roger. No one aside from Tallis at the very end tried to diffuse the argument and prevent fights. No one tried reason once. They just told this angry guy that he was an idiot for being so angry, even when it was clear he had a very good reason to be angry.

edited 17th Jul '14 9:55:11 AM by MacDuffy

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#290227: Jul 17th 2014 at 9:58:54 AM

Anyone mind if I explain gespenst's reasoning for what he did?

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
TheIcySneasel Nightwatch from NIPPON MANJUUUUU Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#290229: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:00:02 AM

But it doesn't mean that nobody should attempt to talk the "raging scary dude" down somehow and perhaps help him understand what's actually going on. Because it didn't look like Roger knew or understood what the situation with Homura was. It simply doesn't make sense to let a smoldering guy get angrier and therefore more dangerous. If you're aren't willing to admit that there was a bit of a kink in your reasoning there, no one's gonna make you do it, but this problem won't get anywhere any quicker.

Aa ninjered by Duff

edited 17th Jul '14 10:03:14 AM by TheIcySneasel

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Imca (Veteran)
#290230: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:00:12 AM

Berry, May I have avatar source?

TheIcySneasel Nightwatch from NIPPON MANJUUUUU Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#290231: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:01:02 AM

Also bottompage'd.

edited 17th Jul '14 10:01:21 AM by TheIcySneasel

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#290232: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:07:30 AM

Not directly but when you're in an enclosed space with someone you tend to notice how they act around others. Fen got it when Rodger pointedly ignored that she was trying to calmly talk things out with Julie. All the while ignoring that Julie was acting like a kid having a tantrum.

And Icy if you in real life, see someone angrily shouting at your friend you would not calmly go and sit down with the person and explain everything. You would rush to their defense regardless of whether or not your friend did something to make that person angry. Because someone you love is being attacked and that doesn't sit well with you.

@Imca:Its Ellen from Pale Blue. Look it up. I think you'll like it.

edited 17th Jul '14 10:08:14 AM by Azure

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#290233: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:08:22 AM

Gespenst at first was there to interrogate Homucifer, he didn't even know about Homura being in the graveyard. All he knew was the Homucifer was there and it looked like she was messing with Roger. So he goes over to the graveyard because he has some questions he wants answered. He doesn't really care about Homura's issue or what Roger is yelling about, he just wants answers. Once Homucifer leaves gespenst does stick around, and I admit that that is OOC, but I believe Roger started yelling at Archer first before Gespenst started getting really involved. It was less 'oh Roger is yelling at Homura' and more 'Roger is yelling at Homura, Archer is getting involved, I better help him out'. This is how I remember it, but I can guarantee Ges didn't care about Homura's issue at the time.

On another note: I still find it really funny that Archer and Gespenst became friends.

ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#290234: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:14:52 AM

Since when does real life ever apply to how characters in the room act?

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#290235: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:14:59 AM

Fen never spoke to Roger during that time. Fen didn't even seen to acknowledge Roger. Not even a "-Fen ignores Roger-" action. Homura at least responded to Roger, Fen never did.

And if this is you, personally, and not Fen, calling Julie cracking under the strain of the situation compounded by her own personal feelings "Throwing a tantrum like a child," this tells me that you haven't been paying much attention.

If it's just that that's what Fen saw it as from her standing then nevermind that.

This "oh it's just an enclosed space just assume Fen's around to see this" excuse isn't going to fly with me. Either you play Fen seeing this and responding to it, or she didn't see it, she didn't respond to it, and she doesn't know anything about it.

@Bcom:Alright, that makes sense.

edited 17th Jul '14 10:17:00 AM by MacDuffy

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#290236: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:25:36 AM

Ram even admitted to Julie acting petulant in action text. That really does make it seem like that's what he was going for.

And that last part doesn't make much sense. You're saying that it doesn't make sense for Fen to notice the guy a few feet away from her Just because I didn't write "-Ignores Rodger-"? I don't agree with that reasoning.

Regardless Fen was acting to protect Homura from the angry dude throwing insults her way.

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TheIcySneasel Nightwatch from NIPPON MANJUUUUU Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#290237: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:26:01 AM

Basically everything that Duff just said. Personally, if it were me, if my friend were being yelled at by someone, my actions would probably go along the lines of 'attempt to find out what the problem is between them, see if I can do anything to help them reach a compromise or understanding, if the other person is unwilling to be reasoned with or has no good reason to be angry at my friend, then it's time to defend my friend and separate the two.' That's at least how I would go about it in all honesty. You gotta be civil to both parties, friends or not friends. Right?

I'm probably not gonna contribute much more to this, mainly because it doesn't really concern me. Listen though, you gotta be cooperative with these guys. They're your fellow players and your friends. If you think you did something wrong back there, my advice is to take responsibility.

edited 17th Jul '14 10:28:23 AM by TheIcySneasel

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Imca (Veteran)
#290238: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:28:15 AM

Ohhhh, I do like Berry. :D

Thanksies.

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
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#290239: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:29:42 AM

Ram even admitted to Julie acting petulant in action text. That really does make it seem like that's what he was going for.

We need some CLARIFICATION.

Yes, Julie blew up. She had a meltdown. She yelled and screamed and cried. It was nasty.

But. It wasn't a tantrum like a child. Julie's not some superhuman. Everyone has a metldown at some point. And when they do, it's ugly. Julie had one. It wasn't supposed to be dignified. It wasn't even supposed to make her look bad.

It was just supposed to show that she just couldn't take it anymore. Not a petulant thing. A raw outburst of pent up emotion, really.

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#290240: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:34:36 AM

Yes.

Because you are playing a roleplaying game.

And if you don't at least acknowledge what someone is doing, you come off as ignoring that player completely.

Which means when you're being called out, you can't just suddenly use that player you ignored as a defense.

Fen is not allowed to just know what's going on in the room and just know about the people in it without you the player actively having her participating in what's going on.

That is a power allowed only to Big Bads and Seriesmunders

edited 17th Jul '14 10:35:17 AM by MacDuffy

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#290241: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:45:49 AM

@Ram:Alright then.

I thought it would be obvious that Fen was ignoring Rodger if he was two feet away and yelling at her, but I'll be sure to write -ignores Rodger-.

That still doesn't negate her reasoning for defending Homura who she sees as a sister. And I've already said why she didn't explain anything to Rodger so there you go.

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
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#290243: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:47:20 AM

the passive-aggressiveness isn't really endearing you to anyone, jam

[up]the best wizard

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Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#290244: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:48:42 AM

So Imca, what games did Nova insert herself into?

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#290245: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:48:56 AM

I'm not trying to be passive agressive. I'm just explaining my point of view.

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
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#290246: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:49:07 AM

I still don't understand that joke, and it's been a year or something.

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Imca (Veteran)
#290247: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:49:49 AM

Considering it was a joke referencing OOC events, most likely skyrim.

Boxen whatever he can Since: Jan, 2013
whatever he can
#290248: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:49:54 AM

seriesmunder is the mobster under your bed that your mother warned you about

I'll keep that typo

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#290249: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:50:12 AM

you're being passive-aggressive while explaining your point of view

@spaz: a typo

norm said seriesmunder consideration instead of series under consideration

seer ran with it

that reminds me, we still need to do the abridged series thing

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#290250: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:50:32 AM

Seriesmunder is a character that Seer made I think. He's some kind of omnipotent wizard.

[up]It'd be nice if you provided an explaination instead of just a straight up accusation.

edited 17th Jul '14 10:51:14 AM by Azure

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