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josh6243 Betty "Blast Hornet" Blanctorche Doppler from Digital Realm Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Betty "Blast Hornet" Blanctorche Doppler
#283501: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:05:07 PM

I don't get it, either. I have the same reaction with the metagame of Yu Gi Oh TCG.

edited 4th Jul '14 10:05:21 PM by josh6243

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#283502: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:05:29 PM

"You can just use Thunder if they have a weakness to it"

Completely negated by Double Team. And Thunder has piss poor accuracy outside of Rain anyway, which itself could open up a slew of problems.

And imagine a Pokemon Skill Swapping No Guard with Sheer Cold in Doubles. That's a guaranteed sweep if the enemy has Follow Me as well.

Pokemon is all about Risk and Reward in the first place. Should I switch to Gengar in case the enemy decides to use Machamp? Or will they predict that switch and switch to Alakazam?

Really, if I had a working 3DS, I would show you the hell of a Double Team/Substitute Metagross. It is the worst thing.

OH OH OH, and here's the biggest part of Smogon:

When something controversial like Double Team or Insta-kill moves come up, they have the playerbase test said controversial sets, and then vote on whether or not to keep it in the game. Everything is community based.

I do respect your opinion, I just disagree with it.

Imca (Veteran)
#283503: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:06:15 PM

chance is not strategy. it never has been. it is the antithesis of what strategy is. prediction is strategy. chance is not.

You just countered your own argument with that one, chance can and does require prediction, thats the whole concept of risk vs reward.

Something any buisness, military or even really ANY real true stratigic venture must consider.

Really, if I had a working 3DS, I would show you the hell of a Double Team/Substitute Metagross. It is the worst thing.

Beat it before, also beat a wondergaurded spiritomb before gen 6, all it takes is using your brain.

I do respect your opinion, I just disagree with it.

Fair enough, and can say the same myself.

edited 4th Jul '14 10:09:25 PM by Imca

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283504: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:07:36 PM

read my edited post

and the rest of my post since you seem to have ignored it

also, military/business strategy is not game strategy

edited 4th Jul '14 10:08:59 PM by MacDuffy

Prometheus136 What's eatin' you, chief? from Yoknapatawpha County Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
What's eatin' you, chief?
#283505: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:08:49 PM

Clearly you should invest more skill points into your Naturalized Alien skill tree

I mean

those passive skills are simply invaluable when it comes to depleting an opponent's mana pool before they can close the distance with their high-level berserker classes and inflict substantial bleed on your life reserves

War is God.
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283506: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:11:00 PM

god fuck all these edits

elaborate please

"lol beat it" is not good enough

Imca (Veteran)
#283507: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:11:12 PM

Yes it is Duffy.

Your talking to the woman who grew up on RTS games, and has had matches watched by EA (That was still a fun day).... Military strategy is risk vs reward and chance.

Do I want to risk moving on that position and lose half my army?

What if my artillery misses?

There things I consider in every game I play. :/

[up] There not the indestructible monsters you make them out to be, or even that hard to defeat with smart counters and useful moves. :/

edited 4th Jul '14 10:12:26 PM by Imca

Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#283508: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:11:50 PM

hi prom

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#283509: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:12:49 PM

Bleed got nerfed hard Prom and for good reason.

Its all about managing your Dokklafar and taking down your enemies Nidhooggr first.

That way they can't get you with a Psychosis strike.

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Prometheus136 What's eatin' you, chief? from Yoknapatawpha County Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
What's eatin' you, chief?
#283510: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:12:54 PM

hi we're discussing extremely important RPG stuff

as in

Rocket Propelled Game

strategies and tactics

but they just won't heed my advice

edited 4th Jul '14 10:13:15 PM by Prometheus136

War is God.
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283511: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:13:00 PM

you are comparing the strategy of a real-time strategy game to the strategy of a turn-based RPG

they are not the same thing

@imca: then you should have no problem explaining how you beat them

so do so

edited 4th Jul '14 10:13:54 PM by MacDuffy

gameboy3 The Faker from Michigan Since: Dec, 2011
The Faker
#283512: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:16:16 PM

I'm just gonna repeat the fact that No Guard, Odor Sleuth, and Foresight all negate/reset evasion. That's typically my counter to evasion users (though I typically use those to handle Ghost Types in a somewhat roundabout way).

And it's so easy when you're evil... This is the life for me, the Devil tips his hat to me...
Imca (Veteran)
#283513: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:16:50 PM

The Metagross lost to my Porgygon Z, massive amounts of special attack and the fact that shockwave never misses overwhelmed it.

Spiritomb lost to my Umbreon, who just got it with toxic, then repeatedly healed itself.

[up] The above is true too.

edited 4th Jul '14 10:20:11 PM by Imca

Prometheus136 What's eatin' you, chief? from Yoknapatawpha County Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
What's eatin' you, chief?
#283514: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:18:17 PM

i know rite

so op

valve should nerf

first they totally nerf the demoman's default sticky launcher

and yet they ignore that totally op nonsense

goddamn it volvo stop feeding gaben with mounds of cash and get your shit together

War is God.
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283515: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:21:26 PM

mmkay

do you think your porygon z would have had the same luck with a Blissey with double-team

@gameboy: the problem with that is that the list of Pokemon that can learn those moves needs to be taken into account

should evasion boosts be allowed, that list of pokemon now becomes a list of pokemon that you absolutely have to have at least one of if you want to have any consistent fun with the game

GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#283516: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:22:51 PM

Hey guys I'm ba — oh. Oh my.

...I found a thing.

...

I'm gonna go post now.

MY SOUL IS DARK BUT MY HAIR IS COLORFUL — Brahian Pokémon Alchemist
Imca (Veteran)
#283517: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:23:02 PM

No, but magnet bomb on my magnezone probably would, especialy since Blissy has but 10 defence.

MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
(:
#283518: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:24:03 PM

[up][up]Izzat Eddy in the back?

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gameboy3 The Faker from Michigan Since: Dec, 2011
The Faker
#283519: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:24:08 PM

I still wish Machamp didn't get taken out of OU. He was the Pokemon who helped me one-shot Cynthia's Spiritomb, despite being more than a few levels down.

It's fun to expose Ghost type Pokemon.

edited 4th Jul '14 10:24:49 PM by gameboy3

And it's so easy when you're evil... This is the life for me, the Devil tips his hat to me...
thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#283520: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:24:38 PM

this is all making my brain hurt

spaz, fg?

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283521: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:24:46 PM

ohp nope he saw that coming

switched back to the doublesub metagross

[up][up] you can still use him in OU

and you can still use him effectively

edited 4th Jul '14 10:25:25 PM by MacDuffy

Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#283522: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:25:41 PM

Probably is eddy.

LOVE IS STORED IN THE AXOLOTL!
Imca (Veteran)
#283523: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:26:27 PM

Who has lost all statboosts due to being switched too, and as such can be nailed with thunder.

Or if I felt like gambeling zap cannon.

Or say LOCK ON then Zap Cannon if baton pas is used.

gameboy3 The Faker from Michigan Since: Dec, 2011
The Faker
#283524: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:27:10 PM

(@Duffy) Oh, I thought Conkeldurr knocked Machamp out of OU entirely.

And it's so easy when you're evil... This is the life for me, the Devil tips his hat to me...
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#283525: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:27:20 PM

i am enjoying this metaphorical battle

@game: conkeldurr looks better anyway

edited 4th Jul '14 10:27:44 PM by Trip


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