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EgregiousOne Dark Master of Stairs from the Mancave of Despair Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Dark Master of Stairs
#283476: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:34:52 PM

Night, gents and ladies. Happy Fourth. grin

"I'm not a nerd. I'm a specialist." ~Sousuke Sagara
MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283477: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:35:15 PM

trip these people will never listen

why do we try

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#283478: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:35:21 PM

night, egg!

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Imca (Veteran)
#283479: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:36:32 PM

That Bad Spazz?

I gotta hear this.

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#283480: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:37:09 PM

speaking of the mons do you want to d-d-d-d-duel duff?

imca i am RIGHT HERE

edited 4th Jul '14 9:37:31 PM by Trip

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283481: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:38:06 PM

NAH not feelin it

i just hard-reset my computer so I think I might have to remake all my teams again and I don't want to do THAT shit at midnight

gameboy3 The Faker from Michigan Since: Dec, 2011
The Faker
#283482: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:38:25 PM

Seriously, why is the OHKO clause in place? I don't know the reasoning behind it.

And it's so easy when you're evil... This is the life for me, the Devil tips his hat to me...
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#283483: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:38:31 PM

kaaaaaay

[up] because a random chance to instantly destroy a pokemon, regardless of defenses, isn't strategic and just amounts to spamming the attack

and then everyone has it, so there's no variety

edited 4th Jul '14 9:39:18 PM by Trip

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283484: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:41:47 PM

and if you guys are still whining about double team think of it this way

imagine thunder wave

except it paralyzes the opponent's entire team. all at once.

that is double team

edited 4th Jul '14 9:42:11 PM by MacDuffy

Imca (Veteran)
#283485: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:41:57 PM

no they dont its 30% oddds

A strong attack like eathquake does the same job with more accuracy.

Your just proving the damn image right. :/

[up] Use.

Swift, Arial Ace, Shockwave or any of the many fucking moves that cant miss ever.

edited 4th Jul '14 9:42:33 PM by Imca

EgregiousOne Dark Master of Stairs from the Mancave of Despair Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Dark Master of Stairs
#283486: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:43:18 PM

-sneaking back in-

30% odds is still too generous; that's a 51% chance of getting it within two tries.

Not to mention it still reduces the fight down to pure chance.

"I'm not a nerd. I'm a specialist." ~Sousuke Sagara
Bcom Since: Jun, 2014
#283487: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:43:45 PM

And this is why I'm glad I don't metagame, I'm one of those people that still keeps hyper beam on gyarados like an idiot

edited 4th Jul '14 9:45:26 PM by Bcom

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#283488: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:45:48 PM

The moves that never miss are rather low powered, so all one needs to do is find a pokemon with enough power to tank, like Spiritomb, Double Team spam with Leftovers, and hide behind Substitute.

Imca (Veteran)
#283489: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:46:45 PM

Same Bcom.

[up] Then I dont know, use sweet scent if there tanking.

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#283490: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:47:05 PM

Sweet Scent can miss, I think. And that's a rather limited move anyway.

edited 4th Jul '14 9:47:19 PM by Trip

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#283491: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:47:35 PM

I dunno why you guys bother people about how they play the game.

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283492: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:48:29 PM

@imca: you mean those moves that do worthless amounts of damage and only conceivable purpose is to counter double team users?

close to every pokemon in the game can learn double team

i'm sure that swift or aerial ace is gonna hurt that metagross something awful

also earthquake is an easily counterable move that isn't a guaranteed knockout

when you hit a type resistant to ground with earthquake they probably won't get instakilled

hit an ice type with sheer cold and it will be instakilled

edited 4th Jul '14 9:49:11 PM by MacDuffy

gameboy3 The Faker from Michigan Since: Dec, 2011
The Faker
#283493: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:49:50 PM

I'm still sticking with No Guard, for evasion.

"Fuck your evasion, no-miss Dynamic Punch"

Also, Foresight/Odor Sleuth. Resets their evasion AND they can't buff it anymore (not sure of the latter part). Just a fun fact as to what it can do. Not sure if it works through Substitute, though.

And it's so easy when you're evil... This is the life for me, the Devil tips his hat to me...
Imca (Veteran)
#283494: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:53:55 PM

So, it will still only get instagibed 30% of the time.

And you can just use say thunder if it has a ground type weakness.

Your doing EXACTLY what that image says, removing parts of the game simply because you don like them, when chance is a part of any stratagy, you have to weigh risks and rewards, a key factor you insist on removing.

If you cant counter chance your a poor strategist.

edited 4th Jul '14 10:04:09 PM by Imca

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#283495: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:57:07 PM

I think one of the reasons why moves like Double Team and Guillotine (or Sheer Cold or Fissure or whatever) are banned is because they're annoying. And people really don't like to be annoyed when they're playing a game.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#283496: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:00:36 PM

Yeah, this convo needs to stop before it goes somewhere bad.

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Imca (Veteran)
#283497: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:00:37 PM

There just as anoying to actualy use, its risk vs reward.

Hell, just because I argue for them does not mean I use them, near perfect accuracy on earthquake is much more reliable then any of those, and thus I use them more.

But that stuff is just no items fox only final destination

edited 4th Jul '14 10:01:47 PM by Imca

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#283498: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:02:15 PM

@jam: people are discussing it calmly though

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MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#283499: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:03:26 PM

Me when Pokéjargon.

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283500: Jul 4th 2014 at 10:04:48 PM

chance is not strategy. it never has been. it is the antithesis of what strategy is. prediction is strategy. chance is not.

you can't counter chance. if you're paralyzed, there is no way for you to reduce the percentage at which your pokemon will not act on its turn. you can't counter flinching. you can't counter missing attacks.

they don't ban things solely because they don't like it. that is absurd. they ban things that would turn a mildly centralized metagame into a disgustingly overcentralized chance-based mess

do you know why, in fighting games, occasionally characters will be banned? like, say, meta knight for brawl

because meta knight is so far above any other character on the roster, and the idea of not choosing meta knight is foolish and defeatist, because the competent guy who chose meta knight will always beat you

so naturally, everyone has to keep up, which means everyone chooses meta knight, which means meta knight is the only character anyone ever plays

the exact same principle is with banned shit like evasion boosters and OHKO. everyone is now using either an evasion-based team, a counter-evasion-based team, and of course, everyone's got Pokemon that knows OHKO moves

so, the already small pool of Pokemon in the tiers the people who decry Smogon for becomes even smaller

you say that taking this shit away takes away variety. no. it adds variety.

edited 4th Jul '14 10:06:39 PM by MacDuffy


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