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Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#265076: May 20th 2014 at 4:33:01 PM

That is true.

But I doubt Images will help.

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MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#265077: May 20th 2014 at 4:33:33 PM

And we are trying to keep this one from devolving thusly, and you are only contributing to the lack of mature discourse here.

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#265078: May 20th 2014 at 4:39:58 PM

Mobile you just told me to back off on the other page.

No I am not. I don't appreciate that accusation. I am trying not to have this discussion that I didn't want to have in the first place.

It was supposed to be just me and Spaz talking it out. If she had convinced me that she was doing well with Cloud that would have been a different story.

Spaz wanted to bring it here to get other opinions which is fine, but I know that you all think Cloud is epitiome of writing and will firmly defend him not matter what. Don't try to say you don't, you always do and always will. All I can do is flail uselessly against your wall of totally positive opinion.

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trip Since: Mar, 2012
Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#265080: May 20th 2014 at 4:43:08 PM

Jam I don't think Cloud is perfect. However I find it kinda hard to find any flaws.

But if you wanted to have a private discussion with Spazz, maybe you could do it in P Ms?

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MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
(:
#265081: May 20th 2014 at 4:46:35 PM

I was offering my opinion, Jam, not ordering you around. I said what I thought about the matter, and what I thought is that you should let go of the reigns a little and let her do what she wishes with her own character. You can offer your opinion, of course, but this goading, prodding and selective ignoring to get your way with Spaz is far from offering an opinion.

That statement is ridden with hyperbole, and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't escalate. I did not say he was the epitome of good writing, I simply stated that I was unable to see the issues you had stated. These are two very different things.

edited 20th May '14 4:52:37 PM by MobileLeprechaun

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SR3NORMANDY Problem Child from N/A - In constant flux Since: Jul, 2012
Problem Child
#265082: May 20th 2014 at 4:47:47 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Haven't left yet and you guys are already letting a mature and rational discourse slip away.

Jam, you haven't built upon your argument with examples and explanations and have turned to garnering pity and attacking us for holding our opinions. If you want to be supported, make an argument worth supporting.

Trip, you are being needlessly cynical and immature and if you can't give real contributions to this discussion, keep out.

And now I go.

Well put, Mobile. Keep it clean.

edited 20th May '14 4:48:48 PM by SR3NORMANDY

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#265083: May 20th 2014 at 4:48:58 PM

Trip, knock it off.

Jam, calm down.

Daisy, all this PM crap is what started this whole mess.

I might have to go, my father has picked now to chew me out about stuff, so please, please do not let this fall apart.

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Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#265084: May 20th 2014 at 4:51:29 PM

I guess I failed to notice, sorry Spazz.

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Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#265085: May 20th 2014 at 4:52:17 PM

I have to go too.

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#265086: May 20th 2014 at 4:54:37 PM

Very well.

I'm putting this discussion thread on pause barring things that are this issue to make sure it gets discussed. Because yesterday's did not. Idle chatter can go in chat rooms or the other site, but we are dealing with this one way or another. Hopefully when you come back you will have put together an argument that can help us deal with this.

edited 20th May '14 4:56:20 PM by GameSpazzer

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RegularDefender MAYONNAISE from Blighty Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Singularity
MAYONNAISE
#265087: May 20th 2014 at 4:55:53 PM

I would otherwise have input on this.

But- I can't really focus on how to put it into words.

Being honest- these kind of things stress me out because it is rather easy for criticism to get heated. Even if we try it does get under our skin a little if we haven't noticed it.

And I'd honestly rather avoid this stress when I'm over a quarter of the way through my final exams. Hence why I can't exactly- put it into a proper argument or summary of my opinion on this matter.

I will say this though- I am finding it increasingly hard at times to get lasting interaction. I don't know whether this is just my RP'ing skills or whether I'm leaning too heavily on characters that are otherwise apathetic to almost-everything or whether it's simply the fact that bigger things are happening, which therefore detract attention from what I'm doing. I know that sometimes the characters like Griffin or Simon, give quick one-word answers because they as characters would not want to go into detail unless they think they have to. And I know that this often-times ends conversations like writing a signature on a letter, but even so. It can be annoying to drop one part of the character just to get maybe one or two post's worth of interaction.

It is especially annoying that just when I start getting into the swing and I have good interaction it is at ridiculous times in the morning.

And another thing that I've noticed, but I'm not sure if it's just me; Box, you are starting to play characters against yourself... a little too often, it seems. At least from what I've seen. So- I'd say you should try and tone it down. I find that using multiple characters- you want to distance them as much as possible so that you're not just typing posts to yourself in a conversation that you hope will attract people. And if it is in regards to exposition about a certain, there are obviously better ways of bringing it forward.

edited 20th May '14 4:57:21 PM by RegularDefender

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MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#265088: May 20th 2014 at 4:55:55 PM

In all honesty, Cloud is not my absolute favorite character of someone else's at this point in time. There are a few other characters that I happen to prefer. I'd like to think that this would give me a little room to see faults that he would have. I'm not trying to come off as a yes-man or a cronie here, and I hope you understand that. I am speaking for myself and myself alone. These are my honest-to-God opinions.

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#265089: May 20th 2014 at 5:30:00 PM

I am back.

First of all, I definitely do not appreciate the accusations of underhanded tactics to "win" the argument. This is not my intention and even if I wanted to continue this I don't feel confident trying to convince someone that acts like I'm not even trying to be halfway decent about it.

I did not ignore Spaz to get her to see my point of of veiw. It was so that we could both write the way we wanted without issue.

I am not trying to garner pity or whatever. I am trying to say that if everyone here likes Cloud and its just me that doesn't like him, trying to convince you guys otherwise is a hassle I don't want to go through. Five out of Five doctors approve Cloud so he must be a good character, and doesn't have to change for my sake.

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chibifenrix Forever wandering, Never lost. from Va-1 Ha-1A Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Forever wandering, Never lost.
#265090: May 20th 2014 at 5:30:57 PM

On the Cloud issue, I'm on the stance of "He's been pretty ok lately." Yeah, he's getting less grim dark and depressed, and hell, sometimes the change is pretty jarring, even in real life. I have nothing wrong with the character, and until I see the auto hitting myself, I probably won't have one.

Since we're being pretty serious here, I might as well bring up a few thing I've been considering talking about for a while. This very well might be a rant that has nothing to do with anything, but I stopped caring when I got to 3 paragraphs.

I come from a background of detailed, long, and very slow going rps, where people were working around a plot or villian. Going to the Fg was a jarring change. Plot and story development is very different than slice of life and character development.

That said, I agree with reg. Its not really easy to keep an interaction going after a bit, and finding the type of character interaction I am used to is really hard when people aren't in a miniplot. It makes sense, different sfyle of rp and many characters don't make long elaborate speeches, but atleast a sentance would be nice some times.

I also find the 'person is not here/is asleep, and I want to have character X do something' irritating. While I can understand it, there have been a few times where a scene I was really enjoying is cut short cause I went to bed and wake up to find the character off doing other stuff with no mention of how they got from point A to point B without disenganging. Probably a personal issue there, and I think I may have done it too.

I feel a bit like its hard to stick around here due to the habit of vanishing for like, 10 minutes at a time. In most other rps, I can poof and come back and see like, 2 or 3 posts. Here I vanish for a few moments a d find 2 or 3 pages. Though, that's me ranting a little at how much you all manage to post. I mean hot damn, I don't think I've seen an rp move as fast as this.

Tl;Dr: I agree with reg on character interaction, some scenes need to stop being cut short due to people unroleblocking their character at the earliest chance, and a personal pacing issue.

If I may though, I would like some honest, constructive critisism o my characters and rpin', if just for the sake of knowing what to work on.

edited 20th May '14 5:35:36 PM by chibifenrix

MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#265091: May 20th 2014 at 5:45:59 PM

First of all, I definitely do not appreciate the accusations of underhanded tactics to "win" the argument. This is not my intention and even if I wanted to continue this I don't feel confident trying to convince someone that acts like I'm not even trying to be halfway decent about it.

That is how I had perceived your actions. If I have misinterpreted you, please enlighten me as to how, because from my perspective, what you were doing seemed admittedly underhanded.

I did not ignore Spaz to get her to see my point of of veiw. It was so that we could both write the way we wanted without issue.

This does not seem like something you had mutually agreed to do, therefore it seemed manipulative on your part. If you had explained yourself before taking this course and I missed it, I apologize for coming to this conclusion.

I am not trying to garner pity or whatever. I am trying to say that if everyone here likes Cloud and its just me that doesn't like him, trying to convince you guys otherwise is a hassle I don't want to go through.

Then it would have been helpful to use this phrasing from the get-go. Saying things like "All I can do is flail uselessly against your wall of totally positive opinion." makes it seem very much like you're trying to garner pity. I understand that this is an exasperating situation, but hyperbole like that does not help your case.

edited 20th May '14 5:46:47 PM by MobileLeprechaun

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#265092: May 20th 2014 at 5:46:46 PM

@Jam: Perhaps not, but if you can point out specific things that bother you, I can maybe at least try to accommodate. I will certainly be willing to do so as far as transitioning his arc a bit more smoothly, though there are a few ideas I didn't get to implement properly that I'd like to try out, so it may not happen very quickly.

(Sorry, Chibi, I'll get to you in a second. Also Olive.)

edited 20th May '14 5:47:49 PM by GameSpazzer

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chibifenrix Forever wandering, Never lost. from Va-1 Ha-1A Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Forever wandering, Never lost.
#265093: May 20th 2014 at 5:47:55 PM

Take your time. I'm in no rush as I'm stuck where I am for the next 3 hours.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#265094: May 20th 2014 at 5:56:10 PM

Maybe it came off as that way but like I said it wasn't my intention.

As for the second one I had actually talked to her about it beforehand. And you know I agreed to stop a little later. I haven't actually ignored Spaz or Cloud for a while. But I have preferred to interact with other characters.

And I really really do not want to continue this if accommodating me means all of this.

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#265095: May 20th 2014 at 6:02:30 PM

It doesn't have to. We've talked shit out calmly before.

And we did talk, briefly, in regards to the RP in particular. However, due to timezones and Jam being the only one online at the time, I often found myself locked out of interaction, in addition to the hanging development threads, so he agreed to stop. This lasted a week, tops. I was not aware he meant to continue doing it in the FG, and I was certainly not aware it meant not talking to me altogether.

edited 20th May '14 6:02:58 PM by GameSpazzer

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#265096: May 20th 2014 at 6:12:33 PM

Spaz, lately you haven't talked to me either, and only make passing attempts at interacting with my characters.

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#265097: May 20th 2014 at 6:16:57 PM

They were passing attempts because you did not seem to want to do stuff. You also seemed to go offline moments after I went on, though perhaps this is a coincidence.

Nevertheless, I am not sure why you decided to extend this to the FG and not at least let me know about it.

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#265098: May 20th 2014 at 6:31:59 PM

Yes I didn't because I was doing other things, with characters that I found much more interesting.

This is not actively ignoring you, this is me taking more of an interest in things that are not Cloud.

If I had found Cloud interesting I would have actively tried to interact with him, but that's hard for me now because Cloud's done everything. He's been everything from a normal human to god, he's died fifty times, he's run the gamut from sane to crazy and back again. It feels like I'm just going through the motions with him now. And I have a low opinion of the character now on top of that.

Maybe I am just tired of the Insane Avoidant Dependent Deconstruction character type. Its a kind of character that's been very prevalent in the past and still kind of is.

This is not me saying that "You guys need to stop with the crazies." its me saying that I personally am burnt out on it.

edited 20th May '14 6:42:31 PM by Azure

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#265099: May 20th 2014 at 6:58:01 PM

someone stop me from what i'm doing

i've gone too far this time

there is no turning back

edited 20th May '14 6:58:38 PM by MacDuffy

Lilqueendaisy A chill feller from Not Earth Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
A chill feller
#265100: May 20th 2014 at 6:59:09 PM

Too much moe moe desu Duff.

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