well, she talked to him at first, but then fen and guts just starting talking to each other and lef her in the dust
but i'm gonna back outta this conversation cause it's getting a tad too heated
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."Earliest Shubby post I found of the day.
Seriously, though, guys, I hate to see this happen. Maybe we should take a sabbatical or something?
edited 2nd May '14 1:04:36 PM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight.no
the scene we've been discussing starts back in the forest
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."The only other scene I remember is two days before
when Shubby throws a fit in the living room.
now he has edited the post
that is where it actually starts
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."and reading through it, it is exactly how i described it
i understand if you felt like you didn't know what to do with shubby because we were doing a thing that was established earlier without her involvement, but that doesn't mean you were incapable of having Shubby, and by extension you, if you also didn't quite know what was happening, brought up to speed.
i think the problem isn't that groups are being exclusionary, it's that people don't try to get into the groups because they feel insecure about possibly throwing a wrench into whatever it is they were doing, which isn't really the fault or intention of the groups
how many times has the word "groups" been used in this discussion
@ramuf: Don't say that. That contributes to a growing problem here. Speak your mind.
@Imca: just debating how the fg is now and what we feel needs to change
edited 2nd May '14 1:23:06 PM by MacDuffy
Okay, I have had the situation described to me in PM, and yes.
I have to agree with the locked out camp, and Jam, your such a major player here you just never notice....
But the locked out thing is actualy the whole reason I hardly ever play.....
On a good day I can expect to talk to 1-3 people no matter how hard I try to get involved...
Thats all I really feel like saying since I am not here enough for my oppinion to mater.
this, this is exactly the problem
if you keep doing this thing where you form little groups and start doing elaborate subplots with losts of complicated details, people are gonna end up locked out
this happens a lot
edited 2nd May '14 1:26:13 PM by WackyPancake
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."Alright then. Here goes.
I agree with some stuff that pretty much everyone has said. The cliques can be very hard to deal with when you start out. When I got back here in March, I struggled with getting Julie involved with anything.
The cliques can be dealt with patience and effort, which I think Duff said. It sucks, but you can do it. I don't think most people want to do that, though, so that's out.
I don't like it, though. It feels exclusionary, and I know I've started to do that with Julie. Maybe I could work back to being casual after her plotlet is over with. I'd like to try, at least.
Thing is, I don't think the solution is to force everyone to stay in the room for a period of time. That would get old fast, as has been said. However, I think that would be a fun thing to try. It's a little plotlet for everybody, not a solution to a problem.
I'd say that the only real way to work with the cliques is just to have an OOC agreement to try and resist having that happen. Obviously, that's optimistic, but it's worth a try.
edited 2nd May '14 1:31:25 PM by ramuf
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yes
that is still the problem
edited 2nd May '14 1:31:32 PM by WackyPancake
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."![]()
but we're not trying to do that
i thought i already said that
also this
edited 2nd May '14 1:33:16 PM by WackyPancake
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."

@Wacky not asking questions, or speaking to guts directly
just saw it, walked up, sat down, did nothing else
@Spaz:I've always told you I didn't have any problems at the moment, because at the moment, there weren't any problems.
When I did have problems, I would talk to you about it, and you always, always seemed to take serious personal offense to it, get legitimately really upset, blamed every other possible thing, and left everyone involved I assume generally feeling terrible.
Of course, I still do it. Don't think I have any secret problems with you I don't tell you about, because there aren't any.
edited 2nd May '14 12:48:16 PM by MacDuffy