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trip Since: Mar, 2012
Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#257502: May 2nd 2014 at 11:23:46 AM

This isn't very civilized no.

But let me ask you guys something.

Is it hard to have your character be walking along or hanging out in another location only to have them come across something happening? Or another character?

Say Fen's hanging out at the mall.

X wants to have their character interact with Fen. All X has to do is find a reason to get their character to the mall.

or

An event is happening in a location and your character likely won't be able to see or hear it, but you want to participate. All you have to do is find a reason for your character to go there. It can be as simple as they want to get some fresh air.

Forcing characters and players into a tiny compressed area never works for long as people get bored of it, and start wanting to go somewhere else. You are going to get bored of just being in one place all the time because you are going to do all there is to do there. More is better when it comes to the world around the characters. It might mean you might miss out on some things. But that's not a big deal. Especially not in this game where you can probably get involved later, or do your own thing, or go be a part of another thing.

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thestonedog78 Princess Warlock from from deep space Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#257503: May 2nd 2014 at 11:24:31 AM

I feel locked out half the time too. cause it either random place or something to o with a character i barely know..

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#257504: May 2nd 2014 at 11:24:50 AM

Except that it clearly isn't working that way because despite getting this advice two months ago and everyone trying something similar on their own, this is still an issue.

Again — you are the one in the events. Do you really mean to say that every single one of us that feels locked out just isn't trying hard enough despite constantly trying to get involved?

edited 2nd May '14 11:26:42 AM by GameSpazzer

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#257505: May 2nd 2014 at 11:25:07 AM

this is not the issue, though

the issue is everyone is in small groups and you can't get interaction in because you're locked out of the groups

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
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#257506: May 2nd 2014 at 11:27:06 AM

Goddamn phone.

Pagebottomed, and what Space said.

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MobileLeprechaun (: from Grayrock, TX Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#257507: May 2nd 2014 at 11:27:40 AM

@Jam: I've been sort of trying to do that, though, and it's still sort of no-worky. Usually people are in the midst of a very involved Thing™, and when I try to get into the Thing™, my characters sort of end up on the periphery and drift off into irrelevance. Granted, my choice in characters might be a contributing factor, so if I should mix it up and try someone who isn't habitually quiet or introverted, let me know.

edited 2nd May '14 11:30:32 AM by MobileLeprechaun

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#257508: May 2nd 2014 at 11:29:19 AM

no i've gotta say it doesn't work for me either

last time i tried my hand at shubby i felt like she quickly drifted into the side despite not being particularly introverted

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ChrissieMcNapkins bruhonetta from the traphouse Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#257509: May 2nd 2014 at 11:29:23 AM

trip hush

I live in a constant state of fear and misery.
GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#257510: May 2nd 2014 at 11:30:03 AM

All that. This is what I mean by locked out. It isn't just a location thing, though I think it would help a bit.

And we can't all be using the wrong characters. This is a problem across the board, and it's actually been brought up to me before, but I didn't bring it up because, well... you've been kind of touchy lately, Jam.

edited 2nd May '14 11:30:41 AM by GameSpazzer

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Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#257511: May 2nd 2014 at 11:34:53 AM

I am trying to tell you that you're not locked out. You only feel that way.

Yes, little groups are going to form because characters are only going to become close to characters that actually spend time with them.

If you want to have your character interact with another and you don't because you feel like their arbitrary number of friend slots have been filled that's your own fault.

If your character is getting pushed to the side you've got two choices. Continue to try to make your character a part of the Thing or go try other people.

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#257512: May 2nd 2014 at 11:37:41 AM

but everyone else is in groups, though

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
The Beta Male
#257513: May 2nd 2014 at 11:39:16 AM

This is what I mean by touchy.

That last sentence is why this is a problem. There is a way to have your character be at a location without it being contrived, yes. The same cannot be said for suddenly having them deeply emotionally invested without it being contrived unless you want to pull a Czer. And they won't be accepted in. They will be stuck on the sidelines. So you go somewhere else. And they're taken. And you go somewhere else. And they're taken. Everyone is in little groups of two and three, and if you aren't in a group already then you're just fucked. End of story.

TLDR what Space said.

edited 2nd May '14 11:39:39 AM by GameSpazzer

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chibifenrix Forever wandering, Never lost. from Va-1 Ha-1A Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#257514: May 2nd 2014 at 11:44:15 AM

So...I have been pretty productive today. I miss anything interesting?

Aka, what the hell did I just miss?

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#257515: May 2nd 2014 at 11:45:40 AM

@chibi: nothing of particular import

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#257516: May 2nd 2014 at 11:55:29 AM

okay first off fuck you guys for having this in the middle of an assembly

secondly, i don't really understand with this whole "everyone is in a group and you can't be a part of this group" mentality.

i agree that isolating people in areas other people can't get to is something that probably shouldn't be done as much anymore, exactly for the reasons stated, but I literally cannot see what you're talking about when you feel like you can't get a character to get into a "group" or interact with "groups"

if you don't make an effort or commitment for a character to interact with someone consistently, unless the character is physically incapable of doing so (my dream shit, for example) then that character's lack of strong relationships is your fault.

every time Rennor hears an event going on, then straight-up says "Nahp, not getting involved with THAT event", then it's not the fault of the "group" involved in said event that Rennor doesn't have any significant relations with them

edited 2nd May '14 11:58:48 AM by MacDuffy

ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#257517: May 2nd 2014 at 11:56:05 AM

I feel like I've been contributing to this. Which is part of the reason why I posted the thing earlier today.

I can say more when I get to a computer in about an hour or so.

Azure Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist from The World Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fist
#257518: May 2nd 2014 at 11:57:34 AM

But groups form.

There is absolutely no getting around the fact that people splinter off into cliques made up of the people they've gotten close to.

Yeah, this is a game and you can force people to not form cliques. You can force people to be stuck in one area. But its only going to last so long. Because the cliques will reform when people get close. And the new areas will come back when people get tired of the old one. And the only way to stop it is to force some iron-fisted rule that will suck the fun out of FG.

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thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#257519: May 2nd 2014 at 12:00:01 PM

it's more that

i feel like i'm intruding, kind of??? like everyone is doing this thing and i'm all "hey guys i also want interaction" and it feels like i am just sort of awkwardly shoehorning character in

edited 2nd May '14 12:02:36 PM by thespacephantom

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#257520: May 2nd 2014 at 12:03:13 PM

that really shouldn't stop you

i mean i get that rennor would very much try to avoid that kind of conflict and it's fine that you do so

but you can't blame other people for Rennor's subsequent lack of attachments because of that

this is a problem that's not going to be solved by shrinking the map, we just need to cut back on the mind rape and the telepathy and the big monster invasions, that's all

edited 2nd May '14 12:04:37 PM by MacDuffy

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#257521: May 2nd 2014 at 12:03:51 PM

i was not doing that, though

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trip Since: Mar, 2012
#257522: May 2nd 2014 at 12:03:57 PM

duff

makes a good point actually

MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#257523: May 2nd 2014 at 12:05:25 PM

then what was the point of this entire "there are all these exclusionary groups" argument

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
Jamais vu
#257524: May 2nd 2014 at 12:07:30 PM

the point is that it feels like i would be awkwardly shoehorning rennor in to interact with other characters, when they are all already off doing their own things together

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MacDuffy from Enies Lobby Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#257525: May 2nd 2014 at 12:08:43 PM

i wouldn't think so

i mean is it awkward when other people do it


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