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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#26: Dec 26th 2013 at 3:34:35 PM

I'm still waiting for Funimation or Aniplex or anyone to give Diebuster an official english dub. I can understand why it'd be hard to give Gunbuster an English dub, but Diebuster was made in like, what, 2004? Seriously, why hasn't anyone officially dubbed Diebuster by now?

edited 26th Dec '13 3:42:54 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#27: Dec 26th 2013 at 11:57:46 PM

I kind of doubt it's ever going to be dubbed at this point, it might be a licensing clusterfuck or something. I say unless you have a strong aversion to subtitles or whatever to just watch it now. It's great and the Japanese voices are solid.

[up][up] Hahahaha your Huey avatar is perfect for that post.

edited 27th Dec '13 12:03:02 AM by Firestorm

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#28: Dec 27th 2013 at 12:00:14 AM

Really Diebuster's profile should be higher though, it's like a Proto-TTGL like you said, and some elements of it remind me of Madoka. But the only people who seem to really remember it are the people who hate on it.

edited 27th Dec '13 12:06:30 AM by Scherzo09

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#29: Dec 27th 2013 at 2:55:12 PM

[up][up] I'd say your fits even more. [lol]

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#30: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:52:46 PM

Someone here....i be honest, i don't like Gunbuster, i feel very dissapointed with the show.//

Now...recommendation for Diebuster, sound very different to Gunbuster. Maybe i must give a chance.

edited 23rd Jun '15 3:54:37 PM by KazuyaProta

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#31: Jun 23rd 2015 at 4:18:22 PM

I recently rewatched Gunbuster, and watched Diebuster for the first time.

Gunbuster.... hoo boy. Gunbuster, is damn near my Holy Grail of mecha shows, and everything hit me even harder this time than it did the first time I watched it, to the point that for several minutes I just could. not. stop. sobbing. from its ending.

Diebuster.... eh, I honestly thought that the two episodes were really pretty crap.

It started turning around with Tycho's story arc, and I have to admit that the last two episodes are as good as the first two weren't.

So, as a mecha show, I'm fine with Diebuster. As a proto-TTGL, it works. But, in the context of being Gunbuster's sequel, I still really really don't like it. And the protagonists are a prime example of my reasoning for this.

It's true that Noriko always had the potential for greatness and Coach very likely had some bias in her favor from the get-go, but he always pushed her to train her ass off and EARN the position he was offering her, with HARD WORK AND GUTS. There were times that Noriko failed, that she stumbled over her own fears or insecurities, and then she had to pick herself up from that.

Nono, meanwhile, was always talking about hard work and guts from the get-go. But for her, it never really meant anything. Sure, we had a shot of her running on a treadmill in one episode, but that was pretty much it. All of her advancement before recalling her functions and identity as Buster Machine No. 7 wasn't a result of her own hard work, but because of higher-ranking members of The Fraternity believing she had potential to awaken as a Topless. And after she did resume her role as Buster Machine 7, again. Her new tremendous power and skill weren't results of Nono working her ass off for it - they were already built and programmed into her from the very beginning.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

That said, Lal'C? I'm actually rather fond of Lal'C, and her character arc much more strongly echoes the themes from the original Gunbuster. Although IMO Lal'C comes off as being more of a Jung Freud than a Kazumi Amano. And the Diebuster final episode does do its job of finally bridging the gap between the two shows.

So, I give Gunbuster a 15/10.

Diebuster gets a 6/10.

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#32: Jun 24th 2015 at 12:03:55 AM

[up]But in the end, who really saved the world? When Nono became Diebuster, she initially failed in what she was trying to do. It took Lal'C and Dix-Neuf as Buster Machine #17 to actually save the day in the end. I think that you could make a good argument for Lal'C being the actual protagonist here.

edited 24th Jun '15 12:04:16 AM by MoreThanBored

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#33: Jun 24th 2015 at 12:09:32 AM

I think it's safe to say that Nono is the protagonist in the first half, and then she and Lal'C basically share the lead spot in the second.

Also, the answer of "who really saved the world?" should properly be "Both of them".

edited 24th Jun '15 12:09:56 AM by EvaUnit01

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#34: Jun 30th 2015 at 6:11:36 PM

I should see Diebuster? Interestingly Eva Unit 01 negative comments about Nono interest me positively. I'll be honest, I do not like Gunbuster. The aesop about GUTS AND WORKS HARD not interest me much. The fact that the reason why Noriko was sent into space is because totally stupid reasons (His father saved his life Ohta and...he sends his daughter to a space academy away from your loved ones for years ... wut?) only made him worse.

Besides ... I'm the one who hates the first part of episode 5, Is revealed who Kazumi resulted in love with Ohta even though had never been shown (I can see respect, but love?). Also Ohta slaps Kazumi by worrying about he... and she still love him. They eventually end up as a couple ... an teenage girl and a adult man ... that was uncomfortable.

i gonna watch Diebuster. Sound interesting and i think who...YES.

PD: Hello Eva Unit 01. Please do not take any of this against you. Gunbuster just seems to NOT be my type. Is just...i don´t like the series.You´re a cool guy

edited 30th Jun '15 6:20:13 PM by KazuyaProta

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#35: Jun 30th 2015 at 11:05:52 PM

[up]The first few minutes of Gunbuster's first episode are spent with a young Noriko excitedly talking about how proud she is of her papa and how much she loves him, and then somberly talking about how he died in outer space. Noriko's mother is never shown or mentioned.

...Part of it, is that I personally have a lot of self-esteem issues. So being able to watch someone like Noriko rise above adversity by working hard - and especially observing that she needs other people to give her that impetus FOR working hard - it really strikes a chord in me.

And, yeah, I'll admit that the May–December Romance thing with Coach and Kazumi was rather unexpected... but ultimately, I personally don't think that it was a bad thing. It just kind of... is.

Also, another one of the reasons I love Gunbuster so much is that for all the Holy Shit Quotient it breaks out in the last couple of episodes, it's all presented as being technologically feasible, without some kind of bizarre phlebotinum to bend the laws of physics. Diebuster... pretty much throws that out the window, explicitly breaking the laws of physics as early as Tycho getting her second Buster Machine.

Basically, Gunbuster is harder SF than Diebuster is, and that's part of why I prefer Gunbuster.

Although, I recognize that my tastes are not universal - after all, I'm the one guy that unabashedly enjoys Magical Record Lyrical Nanoha Force.

edited 30th Jun '15 11:11:50 PM by EvaUnit01

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#36: Jul 1st 2015 at 12:51:13 AM

Yeah, but consider for the moment when exactly Diebuster takes place. It's entirely possible that it doesn't break any laws of physics, it's just that advanced (even in-universe).

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#37: Jul 1st 2015 at 5:31:35 AM

[up][up] Is easy to understand. Actually about You autoestime issues, sorry for you. I know why people love Noriko but ironically the fact who que live in a Hard SF world is the reason because i dislike her, in the moment when she get the Gunbuster she not is a Ace Pilot, she has zero deaths.... And she get the Super Prototype.... Hurt my Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

Jung Freud was weird. All who i know about her is who her boobs feel more Lighter on the moon.

And Kazumi and Ohta still be akward. I have bad flashbacks of Mobile Suit Gundam. (Mirai....)

edited 1st Jul '15 12:39:48 PM by KazuyaProta

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#38: Jul 1st 2015 at 3:56:24 PM

Yeah, but consider for the moment when exactly Diebuster takes place. It's entirely possible that it doesn't break any laws of physics, it's just that advanced (even in-universe).

Nope, it break the laws of physics in universe. The Topless are low grade reality warpers and in the final episode when Nono and Lal'C's Double Inuzuma Kick not only destroys the Space Monster, but also breaks the event horizon of it's black hole one of the other characters essentially comments that reality is out to lunch and what has happened is supposed to be impossible.

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#40: Jul 1st 2015 at 6:08:26 PM

It's how all Super robot series act, basically. getter Robo did it first, and is even one of the main inspirations for Gunbuster/Diebuster/Gurren Lagann because Gainax are Go Nagai and Ken Ishikawa fanboys and fangirls.

edited 1st Jul '15 6:09:09 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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#41: Jul 1st 2015 at 10:45:50 PM

Yeah, but consider for the moment when exactly Diebuster takes place. It's entirely possible that it doesn't break any laws of physics, it's just that advanced (even in-universe).
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Even if you handwave the bullshit with the Degeneracy Generators and Nono splitting open a black hole and that crazy shit at the ending, as well as the de facto living/organic Buster Machines, remember the super-ice attack Tycho used at the end of ep 3? It was described as being able to generate a temperature to the effect of "a million degrees below zero", or something like that. Now, they could be using some different temperature scale so that the "zero" point is about a million degrees above 0 Kelvin/Absolute Zero, except that somebody in-universe immediately lampshaded that being so incredibly cold was physically impossible.

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#42: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:30:10 PM

[up] Ironically that was the first thing who know about the plot. Is weird, is a Mind Screw. I mean the Absolute Zero is when all the molecules just stop their movement. Totally stopped...

Insane. I´m dowloand Diebuster with spanish sub now. Remember I´m peruvian (A spanish talking country).

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#43: Sep 7th 2018 at 11:12:51 PM
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#45: Sep 8th 2018 at 1:33:17 PM

[up][up] Initially I thought you misspelled "Gainax", but apparently there really is a studio, separated from Gainax, called Gaina.

It started off as a subsidiary of Gainax called Fukushima Gainax, but then Fukushima Gainax and Gainax separated on December 2015 and on August 20, 2018, Fukushima Gainax was acquired by something called Kinoshita Group Holdings and renamed into Gaina.

Anyone weirded out yet?

If it means anything, Gaina does have anime projects of their own, like a TV anime adaptation of Piano no Mori that came up this year.

In any case, this may be for the best since on paper, Uru in Blue got me fascinated with curiosity and got me interested in its distant prequel Royal Space Force: The Wings of HonnĂªamise (of which I've heard nothing but great things about), but it's been going on and off for nearly 30 years and sorry to say, Gainax hasn't been the juggernaut it used to be for a long time. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else took over Gainax's plan for a Leijiverse movie trilogy. Anyone remember that? Or heard anything about it?

Oh yeah, and Gunbuster 3? Never saw the last two because I'm still waiting for English dubs, but...yay?

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#46: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:27:20 PM

English dubs for Gunbuster and Diebuster are never going to happen, I'm afraid, because the split audio tracks are lost forever, making it impossible to actually dub over anything.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#47: Sep 8th 2018 at 4:40:40 PM

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...........

...I mean, I remember reading how Gunbuster kinda has issues that make dubbing impossible, but Diebuster too? Diebuster was made like, what, 2004-2005, right? How does someone lose split audio tracks for both?

Can't anyone make new split audio tracks from scratch or is that easier said than done? (I ask mostly because I literally don't know the how of dubbing.)

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#48: Sep 8th 2018 at 5:02:39 PM

Blame the fact that after Bandai stopped licensing anime, No one picked up Gunbuster and Diebuster from them.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#49: Sep 8th 2018 at 5:07:37 PM

[up] Ah...I see. If you'll excuse me.

(Silently weeps in a corner)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 8th 2018 at 8:07:35 AM


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