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GoldenKaos Free as the flame from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Free as the flame
Aug 19th 2019 at 8:41:02 AM

[up][up][up] Sure, but I hadn't. First thing I found when searching for him was the name of his party.

Probably should be working.
Aug 19th 2019 at 8:51:45 AM

I wonder if we could stretch it to say since I don't believe trickle-down economics is real, it'd be partisan to talk about the economy...

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Aug 19th 2019 at 11:29:04 AM

And Bernier's party doesn't even have official status, and is polling in the low single digits.

Where does this logic end at? Could a fringe party start denying the Holocaust (which is not illegal here) and EC would start cracking down on those who talk that to?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Aug 19th 2019 at 11:48:21 AM

Lets not kid ourselves: there's a party filled with identical views and it's in second place. It's its leader isn't voicing that publicly.

Edited by Ghilz on Aug 19th 2019 at 3:37:19 PM

Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
Aug 29th 2019 at 4:16:24 AM

https://time.com/5664080/canada-china-yang-wei-deportation/

Looks like CBSA deported a democracy activist back to China.

Yang Wei has a criminal past when he lived in Canada.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Aug 31st 2019 at 5:21:28 AM

[up]Specifically, he was a violent criminal. "He's got mental problems" is not a defense when you're stabbing someone 13 times, unless it qualifies you for the Insanity Defense.

In this case, sending him back to China is justified.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
phantom1 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Aug 31st 2019 at 9:38:52 AM

I mean the issue is if you go for deportion or life in prison.

Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
Sep 5th 2019 at 6:16:35 PM

Ottawa's got a new ambassador to Beijing. The CFM is okay with this and hopes to get things done somewhere.

From FT:

Dominic Barton, the former global managing partner of consultancy firm Mc Kinsey, has been appointed Canada’s new ambassador to China, tasked with reviving relations between the countries that have hit an all-time low following the arrest of Huawei’s chief financial officer last year.

The appointment of Mr Barton fills a position that has been vacant for months as relations between Ottawa and Beijing have deteriorated sharply, raising questions about Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau’s approach to dealing with the world’s second-biggest economy.

Meng Wanzhou, CFO of Huawei and daughter of the company’s founder Ren Zhengfei, was apprehended in Vancouver last year following a US extradition request over allegations the company had violated sanctions against Iran. Huawei has denied the accusations.

China subsequently arrested Canadians Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat who worked for the International Crisis Group, and businessman Michael Spavor on accusations of spying. The two men are still detained in the country and have been held in solitary confinement, deprived of sleep and interrogated regularly.

Beijing has also hit Ottawa economically, targeting Canola seed exports. Canadian Canola seed exports to China were worth $2.7bn in 2018.

Mr Barton ran Mc Kinsey for nine years until 2018, during which time annual revenues doubled. But his tenure was marred by its dealings in South Africa, where the company was embroiled in a series of scandals over political corruption.

Mr Barton has strong links to China. He was previously based in Shanghai as the firm’s Asia chairman and sits on the advisory board of China Development Bank Capital Group. He has also served as an adjunct professor at Tsinghua University in Beijing.

He has long advocated strong commercial ties between Canada and China, telling Bloomberg shortly after the arrest of Ms Meng: “I think there remains lots of business to be done together. That’s what I think we should keep focused on.”

Mr Barton’s appointment has been met with praise from Canada’s business community and scepticism from some former diplomats and analysts given his strong connections to Chinese business.

Perrin Beatty, head of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce, said Mr Barton was “an outstanding choice for such a sensitive and important post”.

Asked about the new appointment, China’s foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said that China hoped Canada would release Ms Meng and act to correct problems in the bilateral relationship, for which he said Ottawa bears “total” responsibility.

“We look forward to [the new ambassador] taking proactive steps to return China-Canada relations onto the right track,” Mr Geng said.

Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University, was pessimistic that the appointment would resolve the conflict between the two countries.

“Canada is eager to reset relations with China as China’s sanction on Canada is taking its toll,” he said. “But Canada arrested Meng Wanzhou under the request of the US. We don’t see much hope of Meng’s coming back to China in the near future.”

Mr Barton replaces John Mc Callum, a veteran Canadian politician, who was fired in January after a series of public remarks that appeared sympathetic to Ms Meng’s case.


G&M has an article about the new ambassador, but also news that it's Ottawa's fault for detaining Meng in the first place.

China is blaming the Trudeau government for soured relations with Canada, and urging Ottawa to “reflect on its mistakes” – a sharp rebuke from Beijing that coincides with the appointment of a new Canadian ambassador who will press for the release of two detained Canadians.

The Chinese government offered no sign of new warmth toward Canada on Thursday, hours after Ottawa said it would dispatch to Beijing a new ambassador who has ties with China’s elite.

“Relations between China and Canada have encountered serious difficulties, and the responsibility lies entirely with the Canadian side,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said Thursday.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau criticized China’s use of arbitrary detentions, which, he said, is often intended to achieve the Chinese government’s goals.

Mr. Geng confirmed that China has approved former Mc Kinsey & Co. global managing director Dominic Barton as Canada’s top envoy to China, saying Beijing hopes he can help stabilize the cross-Pacific relationship. That relationship is in its worst state since the Tiananmen massacre in 1989.

But he showed no sign of a changed tone from Beijing, urging Canada to “reflect on its mistakes” and immediately release Meng Wanzhou. The arrest of the Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. executive in Vancouver last December set in motion a series of hostile actions, including the arrest in China of Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor.

At a livestreamed event with Toronto Star journalists later in the day, Mr. Trudeau said: “Using arbitrary detention as a tool to achieve political goals, international or domestic, is something that is of concern not just to Canada but to all our allies, who have been highlighting that this is not acceptable behaviour in the international community because they are all worried about China engaging in the same kinds of pressure tactics with them.”

The reaction from Beijing, and Ottawa’s focus on arbitrary detentions, underscored the difficulty facing Mr. Barton. His success as ambassador will depend, in part, on his ability to secure the release of Mr. Kovrig and Mr. Spavor and revitalize Canada’s trade ties with the world’s second-largest economy after Beijing blocked imports of some key Canadian agricultural goods.

Some Canadian corporate leaders welcomed the nomination of Mr. Barton, a globe-trotting consultancy chieftain who has occupied some of the world’s most exclusive business circles – a trusted confidant of the Trudeau government who also understands the intricacies of working in China.

Business and political leaders have long bemoaned Canada’s comparatively anemic economic relationship with China, relative to other allies and democratic powers.

Mr. Barton has lived in Shanghai, and his experience in China has given him rarefied access. Mc Kinsey has worked for large numbers of China’s top state-owned entities. Mr. Barton has rubbed shoulders with the country’s wealthiest and most powerful at the prestigious China Development Forum.

He has been a member of the advisory board of Tsinghua University School of Economics and Management, whose honorary members include Wang Qishan, one of Chinese president Xi Jinping’s most trusted lieutenants. The board holds annual meetings with top members of the Chinese political establishment including, in 2013, Mr. Xi himself. State media reports do not make clear which meetings Mr. Barton attended.

But the leaders he has met individually include Chen Jining, a former minister for environmental protection and now Beijing mayor, and Zhou Zhongshu, president of China Minmetals Group, the biggest metal and minerals trader in the country.

That experience has given him insight into Chinese power structures unmatched by any previous Canadian envoy to China. It has also offered him personal contact with corporate leaders who have access to enough resources to substantially elevate trade between Canada and China.

Yet it’s not clear how much that experience will benefit Mr. Barton as ambassador in a country that is strictly hierarchical, and often reserves access to top leaders for those considered equivalent in rank. Tensions between Canada and China may also obligate Mr. Barton to deliver critical messages.

“The first time that he has instructions to say things that displease the Chinese leadership – which, if Canada is sticking to its national interest, will happen pretty quickly – I think the value of that prior access is going to diminish,” said Rory Medcalf, a former Australian diplomat and intelligence analyst who is head of the National Security College at Australian National University.

Dispatching diplomats who Beijing perceives as friendly is a risk for Western democracies, he said.

“If in any way the Chinese feel that they are now going to have someone who is in fact more sympathetic to a business-at-all-costs attitude, then obviously they will see an opportunity there to dilute Canada’s independence on security issues – and to break the solidarity between Canada and other democracies on security issues,” he said.

In Hong Kong, too, the appointment of a corporate leader to Beijing raised concern.

“Somebody well-versed in doing business with China can be an advantage, provided you do not allow business interests to compromise your stance as regards defending Canadian values,” said Anson Chan, a former chief secretary in Hong Kong who has criticized China’s Communist rulers.

She has a dim view of the posture corporate leaders have tended to adopt toward China. “In order to make money, business people have been quite willing to close their eyes to some of the other things going on [in China] that they would not in normal circumstances accept from any other country,” she said.

At the same time, critics question whether Mr. Barton’s selection as ambassador signals a new desire by Ottawa to emphasize trade over other priorities, such as advocacy on behalf of Muslims in western China who have been placed in internment camps for political indoctrination and skills training.

“I see this as a victory for Beijing and capitulation on the part of the Canadian government,” said J. Michael Cole, a Taipei-based senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute.

On Wednesday, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said Mr. Barton will sever all corporate ties, and has engaged in extensive discussions of human rights in China.

Ms. Freeland said she and Mr. Barton met on Wednesday, and the plight of Mr. Kovrig and Mr. Spavor was the first thing they discussed. She said that in regular consular visits, Canadian diplomats tell the two men, among other things, about the government’s efforts to secure their release. She said that is a “source of solace” for them.

A person who answered Mr. Barton’s e-mail at Mc Kinsey said he is not accepting media interviews.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
RainingMetal from Eagleland Canada Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 7th 2019 at 10:39:50 AM

Going municipal and petty, I think cyclists should have every right to use sidewalks. Ran into this stuck-up bitch who expected me to go on the grass instead, after a rainstorm.

Waifu fans need a life(u).
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Sep 10th 2019 at 2:04:06 PM

Cyclists are a threat to pedestrians on sidewalks, there simply isn't room for both of them. Dedicated bike lanes are a better option.


Parliament will be dissolved tomorrow, with the election set for October 21st.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-campaign-trudeau-wednesday-rideau-hall-1.5277765

Polling status is that the Liberals and Conservatives are neck in neck for the lead (if the election were held today, the most likely result would be a Liberal minority), while the NDP and Greens are jockeying for third place. Main bright spot is that the PPC is circling the drain at best.


Oh, and Manitoba's election is tonight.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-party-leaders-wait-1.5277663

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 10th 2019 at 6:04:32 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:04:42 PM

What's with the memes that Castro is Justin Trudeau's real dad, besides the fact that they kind of look alike minus facial hair

Representing New Zealand, TV Tropes addict
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
Sep 21st 2019 at 10:39:32 AM

I'm looking forward to the Coalition negotiations. If nothing else, it'll be damnably interesting to see who tries to cobble one first.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:39:54 PM

Does Scheer have a realistic chance of forming one? Are Trudeau's scandals bad enough that the NDP or Greens would prefer supporting the Tories?

Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:51:26 PM

Canada generally doesn't do coalitions at a federal level; the plurality just forms a minority government.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:59:50 PM

Don't they still need the consent of a parliamentary majority to do that?

Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:59:26 PM

In theory. In practice, it's expected.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Sep 21st 2019 at 6:32:59 PM

What's with the memes that Castro is Justin Trudeau's real dad, besides the fact that they kind of look alike minus facial hair

I think it's because Trudeau's mom was a Castro fangirl and Castro Really Gets Around. Plus the infamous Castro Eulogy

Watch me destroying my country
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Sep 21st 2019 at 7:16:58 PM

The NDP have already written off supporting the Tories (and it would probably kill them electorally to do so), and the Greens actually need to perform in an election to be a factor.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:08:18 AM

[up][up] So Castro and JFK were Not So Different on one thing, it seems

Representing New Zealand, TV Tropes addict
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Sep 22nd 2019 at 5:21:42 AM

Surprised the whole Blackface controversy isn't mentioned here.

Do you think Trudeau deserves the backlash or is it overblown?

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
RainingMetal from Eagleland Canada Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 22nd 2019 at 6:03:02 AM

I'd imagine it's Trudeau being a dumbass back in the day.

Waifu fans need a life(u).
Blueeyedrat YEEEEAH— no. from nowhere in particular. Relationship Status: Mu
YEEEEAH— no.
Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:18:49 AM

I think an important thing is that the people trying their hardest to make a scandal out of it have absolutely no place to talk without being hypocrites, whether it's about race (see: CPC members cozying up to literal white supremacists, and the usual anti-immigrant and/or anti-Muslim sentiments) or about digging up stuff their leaders did in the past (see: that stuff Scheer said about gay marriage and never apologized for, despite several opportunities to do so).

"I've come to the conclusion that this is a very stupid idea."
Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:03:48 AM

IMHO, Trudeau is a bit of an idiot and probably has huge blindspots due to his privileged upbringing, but he's not a blatant racist, Nazi-wannabe like Scheer and unfortunately the NDP is a non-entity since Layton died, so I'm kinda stuck voting for the Liberals.

I'm getting flashbacks to the 2016 US election, except I'm not on the sidelines this time.

RainingMetal from Eagleland Canada Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:12:17 AM

So when does voting period start? I want to vote Liberal to stem back the Conservative menace.

Waifu fans need a life(u).
Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:51:17 AM

[up]Mid-late Oct I believe. You'd want to look at Elections Canada website for the exact date and voting locations.


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