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Comment out Zero Context Examples and leave this comment note on the page itself:%% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.
Edited to be a thread header.
Edited by nombretomado on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:12:58 AM
This was on Monsters of the Week:
- Super Sentai:
- Practically every series (and by extension, every Power Rangers series). There's no point in listing them all, just click the link to see them. Plenty of lampshading. "Just send them all" has in fact been tried before. If it's a small number the Rangers have a hell of a time with them. If it's a large number, Conservation of Ninjutsu kicks in and they go down as easily as Elite Mooks. Except for the time they had to kill Zordon...
I don't think we should really be using the links to their pages like the bolded sentence is suggests. This is because the example here doesn't really explain what the monsters are per season. There is a later bullet that explain two monsters, Baseball Mask and Chinomanako, and another bullet that explains how Bioman doesn't follow this formula and instead uses different mecha of the week. Suggestions?
- Examples shouldn't refer to other examples, especially on other pages. The paragraph also sounds poor and should be rewritten to explain how Sentai monsters work in general.
- Monster of the Week can't be notable because they do something interesting in the series. If a case can't be made how they're Playing with a Trope, they shouldn't be listed. Baseball Mask is listed as Ascended Extra on Himitsu Sentai Gorenger and there is a trope for that spoilered part that can be added there as well. Chinomanako isn't special at all, it's just a monster of a crossover episode.
- The "almost" part for Choudenshi Bioman just means it's not averted at all. Beastnoids are recurring Quirky Miniboss Squad working for the Co-Dragons. Mecha-Gigans are Monster of the Week, what they do avert is Make My Monster Grow.
- The Toku example right below includes Kamen Rider, Super Sentai and etc, which needs better writing as well. I'm also not sure if merging franchises under a genre is allowed like that, especially since it has duplicate examples.
Edited by Amonimus on Oct 25th 2021 at 10:34:33 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupBrainbent — oh joy, another old fanfic from a decade ago riddled with "This Is X" trope content. Must be Monday — oh wait, it is Monday...
Is it weird that there's equal amount of tropes with Zero-Context and with Too-Much context, in the same list?
- ** Someone asked the cast what their least favorite foods were. Sollux hates carrot cake with raisinsnote , Gamzee hates Lofthouse cookiesnote , Rose hates fudgenote , Nepeta hates gummy orange slicesnote , Karkat hates birthday cake flavored...anythingnote , Kanaya hates jello with fruitnote , and Dave hates butterscotch puddingnote . Jade doesn't hate anything. — [wat
In general, tokusatsu examples are a mess, especially the Toei ones. Super Sentai Mythology Gag subpages usually half-consist of Kamen Rider references, even though it's a different franchise.
Here's a strange thing. Characters.Mental Omega is peppered with ZCE. There's the hidden "Zero-Context Example entries have been commented out" notice at the top, but only one entry has actually been hidden.
Are there even 3 examples with context on The Call of Whatever? It hasn't been touched since 2017, and none of the edits since the page's creation in 2012 were at all substantial.
My musician pageDoes this example from Firestorm (DC Comics) look like it has enough context?:
- Anvilicious: The opening issue of the Simone New 52 run has a very unsubtle point about racism to make.
Do the following examples from Ant look like they have enough context?:
- Action Girl: Hannah can pack quite the punch, and her Ant abilities make her even tougher.
- All of the Other Reindeer: As a girl, Hannah was bullied by her peers at school. This contributes partially to why she imagined herself as Ant.
- Animal Motifs: Ants for Hannah. She has Super-Strength, like how an ant can lift three times its weight, can crawl on walls, and wears a red suit with antennae. Also counts as Animal-Themed Superbeing.
- Good Thing You Can Heal: Hannah has healing abilities thanks to the Ant suit.
- Mind Screw: It is still unclear if Ant is just the imaginary persona by a girl in a psychiatric hospital, or she is an actual person. The story lends credence to both ideas.
- Ms. Fanservice: Definitely. Hannah covers a lot of the tropes associated with this.
- One-Word Title: ANT.
Many examples at Kingdom Rush Heroes and Characters.Monday Night Combat are missing context.
Edited by Amonimus on Oct 31st 2021 at 9:08:24 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupThis isn't enough context, right?
- Unintentional Period Piece: Obviously made in 1983, so it is very well an "unintentional" jab at the 80s. Otherwise, it follows standard indie tropes of that time period which were present in Film and Music
Usually if I post something on this thread, it's from a Work page, but here's a trope page that could use the double-percent treatment.
Graceful Ladies Like Purple — a lot of the examples are "this lady character wears purple", especially in the Western Animation folder. Anyone?
Color tropes, like appearance tropes, tend to be minefields of ZCE. Looking at the trope I honestly think it would be better off reworked into Regal Purple since that's where it seems like the trope is coming from: the association of purple with royalty and royalty as the embodiment of sophistication, class, dignity, and gracefulness. Doesn't mean the character has to be royal, just that they embody some of those characteristics associated with royalty be they positive or not (condescending, spoiled, privileged, elitist, etc).
Doing that broadens the trope a bit, but would force examples to explain what part of the regality the purple signifies.
Edited by amathieu13 on Nov 4th 2021 at 1:45:19 PM
But seriously, anything that requires people to add context is helpful in my book.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall~Wandering Tedium just uncommented some examples
on Baba Is You without expanding them... they're both classic "is this" ZCEs that don't explain what's going on at all, though Eternal Engine at least mentions aspects of the trope... we commented them in the first place so we can't re-comment them without further discussion...
Question about doing ZCE fixes:
Normally I just do the double percent markup and leave it at that, sometimes adding the header from the thread OP if I did a lot or the cleanup was otherwise a specific project.
However, something I remember seeing once in a while was notes added to the examples explaining why they're Zero Context. I was thinking of doing that more myself, but is there a preference for or against doing that?
I can see not doing it as it clutters to the page, even if it's not visible outside of editing. In the other hand it makes clear why the example is commented out, something I've seen throw people off and prompt them to uncomment without realizing what's going on. It also could help weed out the more actively malicious uncommenters as they'd have to delete or ignore the note in the process.
Still, I don't want to start doing that if it'll only create cleanup problems.
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 5th 2021 at 9:26:32 AM
Explanatory notes seem like they'd be more helpful than annoying, to a first approximation.
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.It's helpful to add notes, sure. The reason I never bother to is because if I'm doing a ZCE cleanup, I'm doing the entire page in one fell swoop, which is already a lot of effort without having to stop every time and add notes. That's also the benefit of the big note at the top of the page.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallSpeaking of Baba is You, should the example from Solid Clouds be added:
- Solid Clouds: Some levels in the Rocket Trip area of the game consist of cloud blocks. Often, these cloud blocks are set to "Stop," rendering them solid.

Commented out some more ZCE's at Podcast.Muggle Cast.