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%% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.

Edited to be a thread header.

Edited by nombretomado on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:12:58 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#2726: Apr 12th 2021 at 6:37:16 PM

From Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel:

  • Adorkable: Shirou, Saber, Rin, Taiga and Sakura all have their moments:
    • Whenever Shirou is dealing with the opposite sex.
    • Taiga and her very embarrassing actions.
    • Saber thanking Sakura for the food and asking if she can help in any way.
    • Rin getting surprised when Shirou asks for her help.
    • Sakura not used to being asked by others for her help or advice.
    • Shirou interacting with Sakura and Rider during breakfast.

Some of these might be OK, some could use elaboration, some just seem cutworthy altogether as personal opinions.

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#2727: Apr 13th 2021 at 12:02:14 AM

There are a lot of "this is this" style ZCEs on TV Head Robot. It late and I am very tired

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#2728: Apr 13th 2021 at 4:09:17 AM

Reposting from the previous page:

Do the following examples from The Kitchen look like they have enough context?:

  • The '70s: In 1978 in Hell's Kitchen, when New York was really crime ridden and controlled by the mob.
  • Domestic Abuse: Claire who is being abused by her husband at the beginning of the movie.

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#2729: Apr 13th 2021 at 4:48:55 AM

[up] Not sure, but the page appears to be a stub without them anyway.

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#2730: Apr 13th 2021 at 10:00:30 AM

Cleaning up Miraculous Ladybug recap pages as we watch the show and we find ourselves with a question: how the heck do you properly contextualize Fearful Symmetry?

(Recap page in question is "Copycat", if anyone wants to take a shot.)

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#2731: Apr 13th 2021 at 10:10:21 AM

[up]Do Copycat and Cat Noir have a one-on-one showdown? Does a lot of it come down to perfect counter-moves because "That's exactly what I'd do"? If so, describe that. If not, it's probably not an example.

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#2732: Apr 13th 2021 at 10:50:57 AM

Yeah, that's not really what happens at all. Snip snip, then.

e: Oh, look, it's a video example right there on the page. Hrm. That looks kinda symmetrical? I can't tell, honestly.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Apr 13th 2021 at 12:52:53 PM

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#2733: Apr 13th 2021 at 11:18:55 AM

[up]Well, it looks like an example... You can't tell them apart by their styles, or anything like that. With that short a clip I can't tell for sure, but are they mostly evenly matched? How is that conflict resolved?

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#2734: Apr 13th 2021 at 11:43:56 AM

Rewatching the entire fight, they do seem to be approximately evenly matched, but it's a bit of a plot point that the real Cat Noir has used a bit more of his energy at this point, letting Ladybug tell them apart by looking at their Transformation Trinkets' energy readouts.

The actual resolution is Ladybug catching Copycat with an improvised fishing-rod-ish-thing so she can fulfill the show's formula by stealing and destroying his akumatized item, freeing him from Hawk Moth's influence.

I have no idea what any of this does or doesn't have to do with Fearful Symmetry and I think maybe I don't understand that trope?

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Apr 13th 2021 at 1:48:07 PM

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#2735: Apr 13th 2021 at 12:16:06 PM

I was trying to determine if there was anything in their fighting styles, etc. that would differentiate them. The answer appears to be no: If they'd faced each other with exactly the same energy levels and no interruptions, they would have gone on trading blows until both collapsed at the same time. They have the symmetry: Mirrored attack/parry pairs, those wind-up staff attacks that cause them both to lose a grip on the staves —and their reaction to same—, etc.

Remember: Symmetry is not limited to bilateral simultaneous actions.

This actually comes across as a much straighter example than some on the trope page.

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#2736: Apr 13th 2021 at 1:26:06 PM

Ah, that makes sense. In that case:

  • Fearful Symmetry: Copycat has the exact same fencing-based fighting style as Cat Noir, his same Miraculous powers, and seemingly the same level of skill as well. Once Ladybug frees Cat from the chain trap, the two spend the rest of the fight trading blows, with neither having any clear advantage or disadvantage until Ladybug steals and destroys Copycat's akumatized photo.

Does this look good?

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#2737: Apr 13th 2021 at 1:30:10 PM

Looks good to me.

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#2738: Apr 15th 2021 at 1:41:35 AM

Kaiju Big Battel have a bit... no, a LOT of "X is this trope" problems...

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#2739: Apr 15th 2021 at 12:20:07 PM

Series.Scarecrow And Mrs King is in pretty poor shape. I'd clean it now, but I'm crosswicking my new launch. If anyone wants to tackle it before me, be my guest, or else I'll do it afterward.

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#2740: Apr 15th 2021 at 3:15:04 PM

Cleaned up TV Head Robot. I wonder if "robot has tv/computer for head" is actually notable...

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#2741: Apr 15th 2021 at 4:28:39 PM

The Eleven O'Clock Number seems to be a ZCE-magnet. I commented out most Theatre examples on the page that I couldn't expand upon myself, so if anybody can add more context to them, feel free.

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RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#2742: Apr 15th 2021 at 8:39:04 PM

Whoo, this one's pretty bad. But since it's an old anime page that have not seen updates for a year, that's expected.

Anyway, here be Sonic Soldier Borgman and its character page.

Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#2743: Apr 18th 2021 at 9:35:17 AM

So, in The Very Definitely Final Dungeon page there are a lot of zero context examples of Final Fantasy Dungeons, most of which include a vague, single-sentence descriptions at most, all of which are potholed to the respective game.

Since trying to fix them all individually is a titanic task, I ask here for some help on expanding those examples.

Edited by Makir on Apr 18th 2021 at 6:35:46 PM

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#2744: Apr 18th 2021 at 7:33:17 PM

[up]Even worse, the Role-Playing Game folder is gigantic!

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#2745: Apr 18th 2021 at 7:41:46 PM

[up] Assuming context could be expanded, maybe the folder could be split off onto its own page.

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#2746: Apr 18th 2021 at 8:02:45 PM

[up]Agreed.

The separate page could also have folders either by alphabet or by Eastern vs. Western like with Brutal Bonus Level for example.

Note that Eastern and Western RPGs are distinct subgenres.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Apr 18th 2021 at 11:24:05 AM

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RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#2747: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:16:38 AM

Thumb Wrestling Federation have piles of those ZCEs...

... as does Terrible. A fanfic which I doubt still exists on the Internet, considering there doesn't seem to be any proper updates since, 2019?

Edited by RobertTYL on Apr 19th 2021 at 4:34:40 PM

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#2748: Apr 19th 2021 at 3:00:45 AM

[up] The latter work has a link to it in its description.

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#2749: Apr 19th 2021 at 6:09:37 AM

Crashbox consists almost entirely of ZCEs. What should I do?

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#2750: Apr 19th 2021 at 8:42:56 AM

[up]Probably lots of percent signs. Considering how many tropes the page has, there might be enough entries with context to prevent the page from getting cut.

On the flip side, a quick look at Family Affair makes it clear that nobody on the site has ever actually seen the show (though again, there's just enough to save it from being cut). Even more so for the revival, which only has one trope for it.


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