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Comment out Zero Context Examples and leave this comment note on the page itself:

%% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.

Edited to be a thread header.

Edited by nombretomado on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:12:58 AM

Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#2601: Jan 23rd 2021 at 7:17:05 PM

[up]We should go through Title Theme Tune together as I am unfamiliar with the majority of the examples.

We may need to add new rules for that trope for valid examples.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 23rd 2021 at 10:18:46 AM

Kirby is awesome.
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It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#2602: Jan 25th 2021 at 5:51:56 PM

[up] What do you mean by "new rules"?

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Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#2603: Jan 25th 2021 at 6:39:01 PM

[up]What I meant is a description that is clearer and less likely to attract ZCEs.

Kirby is awesome.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#2604: Jan 25th 2021 at 6:49:04 PM

I mean, it's not exactly a complicated trope. It is what it is; I'm not seeing what we could possibly do that wouldn't change the definition outright.

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RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#2605: Jan 25th 2021 at 7:04:00 PM

Kurogane Communication could use a bit of shanking.

And... holy shite, this page have not been touched for 7 friggin' years?

Edited by RobertTYL on Jan 26th 2021 at 12:08:42 AM

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2606: Jan 25th 2021 at 9:50:21 PM

[up] For the pinball page, I'm counting 2 valid examples (one of them a possibly legitimate aversion), one that relies heavily on the page pic for more context...and the rest are textbook ZCE's.

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Veteran Editor IV
#2607: Jan 26th 2021 at 9:24:15 AM

I just came across RunnigGag.How I Met Your Mother. The misspelled namespace kinda lured me in, but the examples are just stating something without context or explanation. I know other pages seem to do better, RunningGag.Doctor Who certainly does, and Memes/ pages (which are built pretty similarly to this page) have explanations in labelnotes. Cut?

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I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#2608: Jan 26th 2021 at 3:08:57 PM

[up] Cut. Maybe recreate it later at the correct title, but everything's a ZCE.

2025: the year it all ends?
SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2609: Jan 27th 2021 at 12:47:47 AM

What would be proper context for the Sci-Fi Bob Haircut trope as I found a ZCE of this on one of the character pages I am updating?

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#2610: Jan 27th 2021 at 10:10:17 AM

[up] Describe the sci-fi part?

Characters.Dengeki Daisy is a short page where entries are majority ZCE. Should it get a cleanup, or move good examples to the main work? I don't think three good examples is enough for a character sheet.

WoodKnapp94 Since: May, 2020
#2611: Feb 1st 2021 at 3:18:47 PM

Try guessing what page these are from.
Answer:They're from Pop-Culture Isolation, which is YMMV, so it can't be subverted.

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2612: Feb 1st 2021 at 4:57:04 PM

[up] Had to check the answer...and commented out one and axed the other.

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she/her
#2615: Feb 2nd 2021 at 11:44:27 PM

[up] Or we could just cut it for being a stub.

Also, the last paragraph in the description is needlessly complainy and reads to me like it was copied from a review.

And the link to the comic doesn't even work. Yeah, I'm going to cutlist it.

Edited by Serac on Feb 2nd 2021 at 1:47:34 PM

Merseyuser1 Since: Sep, 2011
#2616: Feb 3rd 2021 at 8:07:18 AM

I was suggested to come here on "Is this an example?" in Trope Talk.

Someone suggested they were zero-context examples, so here's a list from Non-Serial Movie.

Wall of Text here in this entry, but the main issue is how to ensure these entries make sense for the reader, especially if they're unfamiliar with anime.

From Anime section of Non-Serial Movie in the Dragon Ball entry:

  • Dragon Ball Z: Dead Zone: Takes place shortly before Dragon Ball Z begins, the general story could still fit as Piccolo still has his rivalry with Goku and were unaware of Gohan's power, but Krillin did not meet Gohan until the start of Z, and Piccolo and Goku have a conversation about their weighted clothing near-identical to the one before they fight Raditz. Interestingly, the villain later appeared in the Z anime series proper during a Filler Arc, which appeared to accept the events of this movie in Broad Strokes.
  • Dragon Ball Z: The World's Strongest: Generally takes on attributes of post-Saiyan Saga/pre-Frieza Saga as Gohan is now trained and Goku utilizes Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb, but Piccolo is still alive.
  • Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might: Similar to World's Strongest, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu show up alive while Goku uses Kaio-ken and the Spirit Bomb.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug: Implied to take place while Frieza is still alive (King Kai says that Frieza can't (present tense) beat a Super Namekian), but the characters are suddenly on Earth and Goku seemingly goes Super Saiyan but doesn't actually look Super Saiyan note ; in the manga he didn't have the required Power Level to transform until he fought Frieza, due to getting his Zenkai boost from fighting Ginyu.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Cooler's Revenge: The least contradictory film in principle, as the series featured a three-year Time Skip waiting for the Androids and is where this film takes place. Still, Gohan has his tail (which could have easily regrown and been removed in the passing three years) and Goku transforming into a Super Saiyan is depicted as requiring extreme rage as it did with Frieza (after the initial transformation it is a natural power-up). Xenoverse 2 implies that while this film didn't happen in the main timeline, Cooler still exists, as Frieza recognizes him when he appears on Namek.
  • Dragon Ball Z: The Return of Cooler: Blends the same Time Skip with Cooler's Revenge but with elements of the early Android Saga. Dende is the new Guardian of Earth (which hadn't yet happened in the manga when the movie came out), meaning Piccolo fused with Kami and should be about as powerful as everyone else. At this time, Goku is a Full Power Super Saiyan along with Gohan. Gohan is older than what he was when everyone fought with the Androids. On top of that, Vegeta can undergo the Super Saiyan 2nd Grade transformation.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Super Android 13!: Is officially supposed to take place during the Imperfect Cell period of the Cell Saga, but no one had any free time as depicted in the film. They went straight to Kami's Lookout after Goku recovered from the heart virus and they took turns training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in order to face Cell.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Broly – The Legendary Super Saiyan: Takes place during the 10 days before the Cell Games, stated as such in the Japanese version and could theoretically take place then, but both Gohan and Goku are shown in their base forms, whereas they never left their Full Power Super Saiyan State in canon during these days. Ironically, Super decanonized all three of the original Broly films by turning the character into a Canon ImmigrantDragon Ball Super: Broly features a completely rewritten version, separate from the version in the original trilogy. Even before that, there was also the issue of Kale, another character from Super, whose design was a Mythology Gag to Broly: if the movies were canon, it seemed odd that nobody brought up the similarity.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound: Takes place shortly after the Cell Saga, but Future Trunks is still around. That being said, Future Trunks' final canon scene mentioned that he was going back to the past to tell the others of his victory against the Androids. On the other hand, Future Trunks has short hair in his final canonical appearance but has long hair again in Bojack Unbound. There’s also the matter of a dead Goku leaving the afterlife without the help of Uranai Baba to sock Bojack in the face to save Gohan, something that has never been performed in the series proper and contradicts how the afterlife works.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Broly – Second Coming: Takes place shortly before the Majin Buu Saga kicks into gear, so Gohan should have been unaware that Goten can go Super Saiyan. Goku also did not return to Earth until the World Tournament.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Bio-Broly: Took place during the World Tournament but the Z-Warriors went on to fight Babidi and his crew, plus Goku was still around when the tournament was going on, and at the end, the film shows him back in the Other World.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn: Takes place during the Other World Tournament, retconning in a break during Goku and Pikkon's fight. The tournament itself was supposed to take place shortly after the Cell Saga, but the status quo includes many aspects of the middle of the much later Buu Saga (which had a seven year Time Skip). Goku should not be able to turn SS2 or SS3, Vegeta is dead, Gohan can reach Ultimate Level and Fusion is introduced really early. Goku even mentions Majin Buu to Janemba, but should not have known anything of him until much later.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon: Takes place after the Buu Saga so the basic story holds up, but includes an origin story of the sword Future Trunks used that runs contrary to the prior canon (the sword is mystically powerful and used to defeat a creature that can challenge the SS2 level transformation, the original sword is said to be ordinary and there was no way Future Trunks was powerful enough to defeat that creature).

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#2617: Feb 3rd 2021 at 9:05:18 AM

[up]...Did you take my advice about what needed to be done to add context to those, though?

Merseyuser1 Since: Sep, 2011
Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#2619: Feb 4th 2021 at 2:39:50 PM

Does the following example from Fate: The Winx Saga look like it has enough context?:

  • Cliché Storm: As these reviews point out, the series seems to be more interested in recycling ideas and clichés from other YA works than creating new ones.

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2620: Feb 4th 2021 at 2:51:47 PM

If all the context is found on those weblinks, then I'd say no. What specific ideas were being copied, for starters?

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 4th 2021 at 4:52:19 AM

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#2621: Feb 5th 2021 at 5:57:03 PM

The Good Dinosaur has a bunch of ZCEs.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 5th 2021 at 8:57:09 AM

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Merseyuser1 Since: Sep, 2011
#2622: Feb 6th 2021 at 2:00:31 AM

Looking through What Links Here for Continuity Reboot and Alternate Continuity there are a small amount of examples that are simply:

and it didn't give much context on how they were this.

Won't list every example, but this needs to be slowly checked over.

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2623: Feb 7th 2021 at 6:53:55 AM

SuperF*ckers has a bunch of examples with no context.

Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2624: Feb 7th 2021 at 8:51:48 AM

Charm Point has way too many examples that say "Alice's X is this" or "Alice's X is her charm point" or "Bob thinks Alice's X is her charm point" with no further elaboration. It's making it difficult to understand what the dang trope is supposed to be.

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Feb 7th 2021 at 8:53:46 AM

If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.
rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#2625: Feb 10th 2021 at 3:01:56 PM

While editing Bright Castle to give the image a quality upgrade, I realized most examples don't have proper context.

Keet cleanup

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